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	<title>Comments on: Breaking: Jury Convicts Scott Roeder of First Degree Murder</title>
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		<title>By: Jovan1984</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jovan1984</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know that Mr. Roeder&#039;s conviction happened exactly 12 years to the day of Eric Rudolph&#039;s bombing of a Birmingham, Ala. women&#039;s clinic.  I did.  I included the tidbit on my blog.

http://aikenareaprogressive.blogspot.com/2010/01/scott-roeder-convicted-now-it-is-time.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that Mr. Roeder&#8217;s conviction happened exactly 12 years to the day of Eric Rudolph&#8217;s bombing of a Birmingham, Ala. women&#8217;s clinic.  I did.  I included the tidbit on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify the sentencing options facing the judge:  The sentence for first-degree murder in Kansas is life.  The only question is when he will be eligible for parole.  The standard is parole eligibility after 25 years, but the state is pursuing the Hard-50, meaning he would have to serve 50 years before he can be considered for parole.  At no point will the state parole board be required to parole him either way.  

The Hard-50 requires the state to prove one of 8 specific aggravating factors, only 1 of which could apply in this case.  It is not really a good case for that factor, either, so I don&#039;t know what to expect.  I&#039;ve never had a case where the prosecution asked for the Hard-50 and the judge didn&#039;t give it, but this could be the one.  

Also, remember there are two other convictions for aggravated assault.  Those sentences could be run consecutively to the parole eligibility for the life sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify the sentencing options facing the judge:  The sentence for first-degree murder in Kansas is life.  The only question is when he will be eligible for parole.  The standard is parole eligibility after 25 years, but the state is pursuing the Hard-50, meaning he would have to serve 50 years before he can be considered for parole.  At no point will the state parole board be required to parole him either way.  </p>
<p>The Hard-50 requires the state to prove one of 8 specific aggravating factors, only 1 of which could apply in this case.  It is not really a good case for that factor, either, so I don&#8217;t know what to expect.  I&#8217;ve never had a case where the prosecution asked for the Hard-50 and the judge didn&#8217;t give it, but this could be the one.  </p>
<p>Also, remember there are two other convictions for aggravated assault.  Those sentences could be run consecutively to the parole eligibility for the life sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did anyone else wonder about the scare-tactics vans that were parked outside? If the anti-choice movement doesn’t endorse Roeder, then what exactly were they doing there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

God has forbidden murder and lying and reserves the right to judge, something we have no business questioning because he is omnipotent and omniscient (except in those cases where the right person who worships the right god in the right way in order to be the instrument of his will). Keep on message!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did anyone else wonder about the scare-tactics vans that were parked outside? If the anti-choice movement doesn’t endorse Roeder, then what exactly were they doing there?</p></blockquote>
<p>Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!</p>
<p>God has forbidden murder and lying and reserves the right to judge, something we have no business questioning because he is omnipotent and omniscient (except in those cases where the right person who worships the right god in the right way in order to be the instrument of his will). Keep on message!</p>
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		<title>By: CulturalIconography</title>
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		<dc:creator>CulturalIconography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how old Roeder is, but I hope this is indeed a life sentence for him. He needs to be in jail, as his actions are unforgivable, and he&#039;s a danger to others. Someone far wiser than me once said there is no one more dangerous than someone who believes he has &quot;God&quot; on his side. (Please change the gender of the pronouns if you wish--it&#039;s not that I think women are any less capable of murder.)

I would really like to think this verdict might give other violence-prone anti-choice people pause. I hope so. I would also really like to think that someday women in the US will be able to exercise their right to reproductive choice and neither they nor their physicians will have to worry about fanatics attacking them. There are countries where this is true now, aren&#039;t there?

When Dr. Tiller&#039;s clinic was referred to as a &quot;fortress&quot;, I thought, &quot;A doctor&#039;s office has to be fortified? That&#039;s a sad commentary on our society.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how old Roeder is, but I hope this is indeed a life sentence for him. He needs to be in jail, as his actions are unforgivable, and he&#8217;s a danger to others. Someone far wiser than me once said there is no one more dangerous than someone who believes he has &#8220;God&#8221; on his side. (Please change the gender of the pronouns if you wish&#8211;it&#8217;s not that I think women are any less capable of murder.)</p>
<p>I would really like to think this verdict might give other violence-prone anti-choice people pause. I hope so. I would also really like to think that someday women in the US will be able to exercise their right to reproductive choice and neither they nor their physicians will have to worry about fanatics attacking them. There are countries where this is true now, aren&#8217;t there?</p>
<p>When Dr. Tiller&#8217;s clinic was referred to as a &#8220;fortress&#8221;, I thought, &#8220;A doctor&#8217;s office has to be fortified? That&#8217;s a sad commentary on our society.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PrettyAmiable</title>
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		<dc:creator>PrettyAmiable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone read what Roeder said re: abortion? He denied abortion rights essentially because he&#039;s under the impression that his preferred male deity is the only one with the responsibility and right to take life (... after watching an episode of The 700 Club?).

... Which collectively made the pro-choice movement say, &quot;Oh, I see. Because GOD clearly killed Tiller in a church.&quot; Even using his own logic, he&#039;s guilty in the eyes of the church as well as the law. Jackass.

Did anyone else wonder about the scare-tactics vans that were parked outside? If the anti-choice movement doesn&#039;t endorse Roeder, then what exactly were they doing there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone read what Roeder said re: abortion? He denied abortion rights essentially because he&#8217;s under the impression that his preferred male deity is the only one with the responsibility and right to take life (&#8230; after watching an episode of The 700 Club?).</p>
<p>&#8230; Which collectively made the pro-choice movement say, &#8220;Oh, I see. Because GOD clearly killed Tiller in a church.&#8221; Even using his own logic, he&#8217;s guilty in the eyes of the church as well as the law. Jackass.</p>
<p>Did anyone else wonder about the scare-tactics vans that were parked outside? If the anti-choice movement doesn&#8217;t endorse Roeder, then what exactly were they doing there?</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...sometimes the good guys win. Heres to hoping Roeder picks a fight with the wrong man and shuffles loose this mortal coil a bit earlier than a 50 year sentence would imply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;sometimes the good guys win. Heres to hoping Roeder picks a fight with the wrong man and shuffles loose this mortal coil a bit earlier than a 50 year sentence would imply.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jill, I first caught this report over on Everysaturdaymorning blog, and good god was I ever relieved. I may live in Canada, but I keep an eye on stuff like this as American affairs, even domestic, sometimes can have an effect on Canadian domestic affairs.

So yes, I am very happy that this murdering terrorist is going to jail for life, and my heart goes out to Dr. Tiller&#039;s family. He was a good, brave, person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jill, I first caught this report over on Everysaturdaymorning blog, and good god was I ever relieved. I may live in Canada, but I keep an eye on stuff like this as American affairs, even domestic, sometimes can have an effect on Canadian domestic affairs.</p>
<p>So yes, I am very happy that this murdering terrorist is going to jail for life, and my heart goes out to Dr. Tiller&#8217;s family. He was a good, brave, person.</p>
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		<title>By: Icewyche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icewyche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!</p>
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		<title>By: southern students for choice-athens</title>
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		<dc:creator>southern students for choice-athens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news is good enough that Roeder was convicted for first-degree murder and not manslaughter, which as things turned out wasn&#039;t an option for the jury to consider.  The technical differences between the two is of interest to lawyers but the main difference to be concerned about is that the latter might imply some sort of rationale, however misguided, that Roeder was acting to prevent some sort of greater harm from taking place.  At least, that&#039;s how it would have played in the media, especially to anti-choice folks.  

Given a first-degree murder conviction, it doesn&#039;t make much difference if he gets 50 years or 25 years, in part because it would play the same either way to anti-choice activists and groups.  What really would have made things better would have been if there had been another arrest, like of someone who aided or possibly conspired with Roeder, or who offered him some sort of assistance, or who lead him to believe he would have assistance in &quot;getting away&quot; with this, literally or figuratively.  How that possibility played out is more important than labeling this terrorism, or getting however many years in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news is good enough that Roeder was convicted for first-degree murder and not manslaughter, which as things turned out wasn&#8217;t an option for the jury to consider.  The technical differences between the two is of interest to lawyers but the main difference to be concerned about is that the latter might imply some sort of rationale, however misguided, that Roeder was acting to prevent some sort of greater harm from taking place.  At least, that&#8217;s how it would have played in the media, especially to anti-choice folks.  </p>
<p>Given a first-degree murder conviction, it doesn&#8217;t make much difference if he gets 50 years or 25 years, in part because it would play the same either way to anti-choice activists and groups.  What really would have made things better would have been if there had been another arrest, like of someone who aided or possibly conspired with Roeder, or who offered him some sort of assistance, or who lead him to believe he would have assistance in &#8220;getting away&#8221; with this, literally or figuratively.  How that possibility played out is more important than labeling this terrorism, or getting however many years in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: catfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>catfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JFM, I have no idea really, but I wonder whether it was a wild Hail Mary tactic. If the defense attorney could get &lt;em&gt;just one&lt;/em&gt; juror to go &quot;Hey, maybe this Roeder fellow is a little like MLK...&quot; he gets a hung jury and a retrial.

It&#039;s not like the defense had a lot of options, and from the lawyer&#039;s point of view you might as well try whatever you can think of. (There&#039;s no good defense. Take a shot at a bad one at least.)

I&#039;m not trying to sound sympathetic, just guessing at what the thought process might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JFM, I have no idea really, but I wonder whether it was a wild Hail Mary tactic. If the defense attorney could get <em>just one</em> juror to go &#8220;Hey, maybe this Roeder fellow is a little like MLK&#8230;&#8221; he gets a hung jury and a retrial.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like the defense had a lot of options, and from the lawyer&#8217;s point of view you might as well try whatever you can think of. (There&#8217;s no good defense. Take a shot at a bad one at least.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to sound sympathetic, just guessing at what the thought process might be.</p>
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