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		<title>By: Lindsey</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/02/08/do-black-womens-reproductive-rights-matter/#comment-293971</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could they say &quot;species&quot; and expect people to take this seriously? That literally makes me want to throw up. Considering finances are the #1 reason women in general have abortions, it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to see why black women have more. Forcing women to have children they don&#039;t want is not going to help anyone. If there are &quot;too many aborted&quot; how about you spend your money on proper sex education instead of highly offensive billboard ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could they say &#8220;species&#8221; and expect people to take this seriously? That literally makes me want to throw up. Considering finances are the #1 reason women in general have abortions, it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to see why black women have more. Forcing women to have children they don&#8217;t want is not going to help anyone. If there are &#8220;too many aborted&#8221; how about you spend your money on proper sex education instead of highly offensive billboard ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/02/08/do-black-womens-reproductive-rights-matter/#comment-293758</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If 56% of aborted fetuses are black, it would seem reasonable to ask why this is. I imagine that the answer is combination of the ongoing racial divisions within American society, poor pastoral care in schools and inequalities in access to healthcare. 

If the organisation funding these billboards genuinely wanted to make a difference in reducing the need for abortion they would be putting money into providing good quality pastoral care for children including high-quality sex education, widening access to contraceptive services and providing funds for disadvantaged children to further their education. 

Unfortunately, the people funding these advertisements are the religious Right. They will always be crippled by the fact that they have a faith-based agenda which promotes abstinence based sex education above all else and encourages women to stay at home and raise children rather than empowering and educating them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 56% of aborted fetuses are black, it would seem reasonable to ask why this is. I imagine that the answer is combination of the ongoing racial divisions within American society, poor pastoral care in schools and inequalities in access to healthcare. </p>
<p>If the organisation funding these billboards genuinely wanted to make a difference in reducing the need for abortion they would be putting money into providing good quality pastoral care for children including high-quality sex education, widening access to contraceptive services and providing funds for disadvantaged children to further their education. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the people funding these advertisements are the religious Right. They will always be crippled by the fact that they have a faith-based agenda which promotes abstinence based sex education above all else and encourages women to stay at home and raise children rather than empowering and educating them.</p>
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		<title>By: skeptifem</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptifem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the fuck- &quot;species&quot;? After all the ads you see where black people are used to seem exotic when compared to white people... Sociological images has had a few different examples where black people are literally running next to cheetahs wearing animal prints and shit... jesus. 

Anyway, I have blogged about anti gay marriage advocates putting a lot of interest into the &#039;marriage crisis&#039; in the black community. This seems to be pretty similar. Unless there is something inherently wrong with black people I am not sure why they would need special instructions of this sort on their life choices. Assuming that the difference in statistics is due to circumstance rather than some kind of character problem makes it very difficult to picture making this sort of preachy ad. It is clear that these groups just want to use images of black poverty to call aboriton providers racist. Encouraging people to have kids they do not want (or cannot afford) &amp; using billboard funds to that end instead of actually helping to fix the problem of poverty hurts way more people than it helps. It is the same old story of pro life money never being used to women (which reduces the abortion rate) or children (who cease to become important when they are born). 


What I do not understand about the whole meme that abortion providers are racist is that the same groups always claim that abortion providers are in it just for profit. You would think that a white centric effort to increase abortion would be a lot more profitable (due to sheer number of whites in the us and the economic privilege that would enable them to purchase serial abortions more easily). Shit- I am trying to make sense out of pro life rhetoric, I probably shouldn&#039;t waste my time like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the fuck- &#8220;species&#8221;? After all the ads you see where black people are used to seem exotic when compared to white people&#8230; Sociological images has had a few different examples where black people are literally running next to cheetahs wearing animal prints and shit&#8230; jesus. </p>
<p>Anyway, I have blogged about anti gay marriage advocates putting a lot of interest into the &#8216;marriage crisis&#8217; in the black community. This seems to be pretty similar. Unless there is something inherently wrong with black people I am not sure why they would need special instructions of this sort on their life choices. Assuming that the difference in statistics is due to circumstance rather than some kind of character problem makes it very difficult to picture making this sort of preachy ad. It is clear that these groups just want to use images of black poverty to call aboriton providers racist. Encouraging people to have kids they do not want (or cannot afford) &amp; using billboard funds to that end instead of actually helping to fix the problem of poverty hurts way more people than it helps. It is the same old story of pro life money never being used to women (which reduces the abortion rate) or children (who cease to become important when they are born). </p>
<p>What I do not understand about the whole meme that abortion providers are racist is that the same groups always claim that abortion providers are in it just for profit. You would think that a white centric effort to increase abortion would be a lot more profitable (due to sheer number of whites in the us and the economic privilege that would enable them to purchase serial abortions more easily). Shit- I am trying to make sense out of pro life rhetoric, I probably shouldn&#8217;t waste my time like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
		<link>http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2010/02/08/do-black-womens-reproductive-rights-matter/#comment-293541</link>
		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Salma my condolences on the loss of your beloved child. And yes, Black children matter.  As the mother of two beautiful Black boys I know their value, the problem is that that Whiteness is determined to &quot;other&quot; them in order to profit from their debasement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Salma my condolences on the loss of your beloved child. And yes, Black children matter.  As the mother of two beautiful Black boys I know their value, the problem is that that Whiteness is determined to &#8220;other&#8221; them in order to profit from their debasement.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Totally aside from the abortion issue, that is one offensive poster. Aside from referring to black babies as a &quot;species,&quot; a terminology outdated by about 2 centuries and several levels of common decency, in terms of visual language the ad looks a lot like these: http://us-africa.tripod.com/leodicaprio.jpg http://intelligenttravel.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/10/gorilla_still.jpg
http://www.tvsa.co.za/mastershowimages/1979_escape_chimp_468.jpg

What the hell?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Totally aside from the abortion issue, that is one offensive poster. Aside from referring to black babies as a &#8220;species,&#8221; a terminology outdated by about 2 centuries and several levels of common decency, in terms of visual language the ad looks a lot like these: <a href="http://us-africa.tripod.com/leodicaprio.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://us-africa.tripod.com/leodicaprio.jpg</a> <a href="http://intelligenttravel.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/10/gorilla_still.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://intelligenttravel.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/10/gorilla_still.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.tvsa.co.za/mastershowimages/1979_escape_chimp_468.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.tvsa.co.za/mastershowimages/1979_escape_chimp_468.jpg</a></p>
<p>What the hell?</p>
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		<title>By: Academic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Academic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 04:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salma, 

My condolences on the loss of your son.  I wish you peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salma, </p>
<p>My condolences on the loss of your son.  I wish you peace.</p>
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		<title>By: preying mantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>preying mantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am uncomfortable with the whole equating abortion with eugenics argument, though there is a prevailing line of thought that insists that the reason for less criminals in the streets is because supposedly unfit mothers chose to abort their children rather than bring them to term.&quot;

That&#039;s only the argument assholes make.  Most arguments around that hypothesis revolve around women being able to delay childbearing until they feel ready to raise a child and not have more than they are capable of raising.  The children get more resources allocated to them and happier, more stable parents; they are thus less likely to be neglected into social marginality.  It&#039;s the same mothers, raising children at a better time in their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am uncomfortable with the whole equating abortion with eugenics argument, though there is a prevailing line of thought that insists that the reason for less criminals in the streets is because supposedly unfit mothers chose to abort their children rather than bring them to term.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s only the argument assholes make.  Most arguments around that hypothesis revolve around women being able to delay childbearing until they feel ready to raise a child and not have more than they are capable of raising.  The children get more resources allocated to them and happier, more stable parents; they are thus less likely to be neglected into social marginality.  It&#8217;s the same mothers, raising children at a better time in their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Salma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Black women mattered then maybe their rights would not be in questions. There are way too many dynamics, the paternalism is enough to suffocate you. 

 I guess it&#039;s a case of who speaks for whom? I think there needs to be some contexualizing here, and maybe Black sisters need to be out there recognizing that there are many issues that need to be dealt with.

On the other hand, I am nnot sure that anyone cares if Black women are having more abortions, that&#039;s just my opinion. 

From my personal experience as a young Black woman who just went through pregnancy, child birth, the death of my infant son (which was preventable) this was more or less due to the lack of caring for me and my baby. 

I think generally, a Black life is just not valuable no matter what your means are, and if it is planned or unplanned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Black women mattered then maybe their rights would not be in questions. There are way too many dynamics, the paternalism is enough to suffocate you. </p>
<p> I guess it&#8217;s a case of who speaks for whom? I think there needs to be some contexualizing here, and maybe Black sisters need to be out there recognizing that there are many issues that need to be dealt with.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I am nnot sure that anyone cares if Black women are having more abortions, that&#8217;s just my opinion. </p>
<p>From my personal experience as a young Black woman who just went through pregnancy, child birth, the death of my infant son (which was preventable) this was more or less due to the lack of caring for me and my baby. </p>
<p>I think generally, a Black life is just not valuable no matter what your means are, and if it is planned or unplanned.</p>
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		<title>By: NancyP</title>
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		<dc:creator>NancyP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just more slut-shaming. 

Yes, it would make sense for the pro-choice organizations to run an ad, although not a counter-ad in the billboard format. What would need to be done for a billboard would have to be very simple and have minimal text.

I&#039;d feature a message about prevention: 
&quot;Planned Parenthood: for a healthy family&quot; (large type)
&quot;Pap smears. HIV prevention. Well woman care. Education. Birth control.&quot; (list of some services given in smaller type, along with web address)
Photo should feature black women at varying ages - middle-aged mother with older teen daughter, 30ish M + F couple holding infant,  20ish woman college student

Targeted audience print ads could use a message like this:
&quot;Did you know that black women have a higher rate of infertility? Take good care of your fertility. Some sexually transmitted infections, such as Chlamydia, can cause infertility without other symptoms. Get tested, and have your partner use a condom.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just more slut-shaming. </p>
<p>Yes, it would make sense for the pro-choice organizations to run an ad, although not a counter-ad in the billboard format. What would need to be done for a billboard would have to be very simple and have minimal text.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d feature a message about prevention:<br />
&#8220;Planned Parenthood: for a healthy family&#8221; (large type)<br />
&#8220;Pap smears. HIV prevention. Well woman care. Education. Birth control.&#8221; (list of some services given in smaller type, along with web address)<br />
Photo should feature black women at varying ages &#8211; middle-aged mother with older teen daughter, 30ish M + F couple holding infant,  20ish woman college student</p>
<p>Targeted audience print ads could use a message like this:<br />
&#8220;Did you know that black women have a higher rate of infertility? Take good care of your fertility. Some sexually transmitted infections, such as Chlamydia, can cause infertility without other symptoms. Get tested, and have your partner use a condom.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NorthernOhioLady</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorthernOhioLady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its hard to believe that the movement has been so quiet on these racially and emotionally charged billboards. They&#039;re pretty horrible.

However, while recognizing the not so chipper past with regards to race and feminism, I think that some of the current silence of white pro-choice females is out of fear of saying or doing something wrong. I&#039;m not condoning it by any means, nor ignoring the fact that there many issues that could be blocking a very important dialog (like legit racism). In several pieces I&#039;ve read in the last 6 months or so, there has been a theme suggesting that white privileged feminists should stop telling women of color what to do-- which, while a touchy topic, is very seriously founded in reality. The disconnect between class, culture, race, and privilege in this country causes schisms in understanding-- it is impossible to insist  what is right for another when you do not know their situation. However, people can read articles on this topic in several ways (just look at the comment sections!) and I think some people comprehend it as a &quot;GTFO&quot; argument. The response to issues like this become quieted out of the fear of stepping out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its hard to believe that the movement has been so quiet on these racially and emotionally charged billboards. They&#8217;re pretty horrible.</p>
<p>However, while recognizing the not so chipper past with regards to race and feminism, I think that some of the current silence of white pro-choice females is out of fear of saying or doing something wrong. I&#8217;m not condoning it by any means, nor ignoring the fact that there many issues that could be blocking a very important dialog (like legit racism). In several pieces I&#8217;ve read in the last 6 months or so, there has been a theme suggesting that white privileged feminists should stop telling women of color what to do&#8211; which, while a touchy topic, is very seriously founded in reality. The disconnect between class, culture, race, and privilege in this country causes schisms in understanding&#8211; it is impossible to insist  what is right for another when you do not know their situation. However, people can read articles on this topic in several ways (just look at the comment sections!) and I think some people comprehend it as a &#8220;GTFO&#8221; argument. The response to issues like this become quieted out of the fear of stepping out of line.</p>
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