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This week’s episode centered on Sawyer who, off the island, he’s a cop trying to find the man he deems responsible for the death of his parents. On the island, Flocke is still recruiting, Claire confronts Kate about Aaron, Sawyer’s on a mission to get off the island, and Sayid’s heart is cold as ice.
Read our discussion on the episode and add your own thoughts, theories, and general reactions in the comments. Remember to avoid spoilers to episodes that have not yet aired.
What did everybody think?
SALLY: I was kinda meh about this episode. I love Sawyer and seeing Charlotte all dolled up was nice, but nothing happened.
LAUREN: I resent Jill emailing us the Lost Bingo Cards because I was yelling at the screen, “He looked in the mirror!” and “Obscure literary reference!” so I think I enjoyed the episode more on reflection than I did watching it. But I admit I’m a Sawyer fan. I like a man that drinks himself into oblivion in his undies on a deserted island while listening to Iggy Pop, a man that gleans his moral code from Michael Friggin’ Landon, a man that leaves the flower but takes the beer.
CARA: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz … Oh, I’m sorry, what were we talking about? Oh, the most recent episode of LOST? Sorry, I keep nodding of and having this bizarre dream that I’m watching this really boring episode called What Kate Does on an endless loop, while everyone else around me keeps insisting it’s a different episode. It’s weird!
Seriously, nothing happened. And the Sawyer and Charlotte thing was unbelievable. They had no chemistry. Though Sawyer and Miles on the other hand, I loved. There’s chemistry! For that reason, this was the only episode yet where I’ve actually been more interested in the flashsideways than in the on-island activities.
SALLY: I agree! In getting ready for the discussion, I couldn’t even remember what happened on the island – and I watched the episode twice!
SADY: It’s hard for me to talk about this episode much. Because I am dead now. I have literally DIED OF BOREDOM, due to this episode. This message, of course, is being delivered to you via my Earthly conduit, Top Secret Ghost Whispering Police Officer Miles.
In L.A., Sawyer is still running his con scam, except he’s an undercover cop! With Miles as his partner! Who thinks this would make a great spin-off?
SALLY: I mean, really, I would TOTALLY watch this as a spin-off! They would fight crime together, Charlotte would have a recurring role as Sawyer tries to work things out with her, and they would double date with Miles and his girlfriend. (Who, by the way, must be somebody we know, right? Maybe Ana Lucia cuz she’s a cop too and then she’d fight crime with them!)
SADY: Oh, my God, I had not considered that possibility. I seriously now want a spin-off about Miles and Ana-Lucia dating. I hereby entitle this proposed spin-off “Miles and Ana-Lucia: The Grumpiest Couple In The World.”
CARA: I already wanted a Miles and Hurley spin-off. So now I’m thinking that the spin-off should center around Miles as the star. He’s a cop, Sawyer is his partner, and Hurley is Miles’ wacky roommate who keeps getting in the way of Miles and Sawyer’s crime-fighting adventures. IT’D BE AWESOME!
LAUREN: List of Facebook campaigns I must start: 1) Get Gabourey Sidibe on SNL, 2) LOST Flash-Sideways Spin-Off Experiment Now. Further suggestions welcome.
SADY: Sorry, I am writing dialogue for my Miles and Ana-Lucia spin-off. “HERE’S WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO. YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE OUT WITH ME.” “Oh, SORRY, I thought you were supposed to make out WITH ME.” “I LOVE YOU SO FUCKING MUCH IT MAKES ME EXTREMELY GRUMPY.” “I TOO HAVE REACHED NEW LEVELS OF GRUMPINESS DUE TO OUR RELATIONSHIP.” That is basically the pilot. For my show. 9 pm, ABC, right after “The Doctor Ben Linus Teaches Everyone How To Use The Coffee Machine Chronicles.”
LAUREN: I have no idea, but it seemed purposeful for that scene to play out right before Sawyer implies to Kate that only the two of them are getting off the island. I’m left wondering whether Sawyer’s intentions on-island are romantic or tactical.
CARA: Ew, I really hope they don’t turn out to be romantic. That would be gross. As I believe someone else has said before me, the idea that Sawyer would be like “oh, it’s been four episodes, over Juliet now!” just upsets me. I can briefly see him doing something impulsive and rebound-y in his grief, because some people do react to loss in that way, but the idea that there might be anything “romantic” about it, or anything long-lasting resulting when Juliet has been dead for, like, maybe 7 days, just really squicks me out.
LAUREN: I swear at this point Sawyer has boned every character on the show except Jack. Because he hates Jack.
SADY: Yeah, Sawyer solves seriously everything with boning. I’m so intrigued by his life as a police officer. “Officer Sawyer, we need you to apprehend this suspect immediately for charges of arson!” “Okay, so… I guess you can just drop by the hotel room where the suspect and I will be boning?” Like, what if this is the way he solves EVERY CASE?
CARA: Regarding the actual off-island scene, I’d just like to know why Sawyer the cop willingly and knowingly let Kate the fugitive go in the airport, in the first place. What kind of reasoning is that, “Eh, I’m still on vacation”? Worst. Cop. Ever. Oh, even better question! It’s been at least 4 days since the flight landed, right? (Miles said Sawyer got back two days ago the day of his date with Charlotte…) What the hell is Kate still doing in LA? Worst. Fugitive. Ever.
SALLY: I hadn’t even thought of that, but that’s some pretty awful cop behavior. I wonder if this means there will be a hot interrogation scene.
LAUREN: JIM FORD, ACTION HERO. Subtitle: “First he interrogates. Then he bones.”
And now that Locke and his father are all buddy-buddy, how will Sawyer’s search for Anthony Cooper work out? Or is Locke’s father not the real Sawyer in this reality?
CARA: Oooh, good question. I’d forgotten that Locke and his dad were apparently still friends. Has actual potential to be interesting!
But here is what Feminist Cara keeps thinking every time the “Sawyer wants revenge against Sawyer” thing comes up. Of all the people at this point who know or have been told the story, in both timelines, why has not a single one of them ever said to the guy, “Look man, that had to be really just awful for you. I can’t even imagine. And I totally get needing someone to blame, someone to hold responsible, someone that you can act out your grief upon. But did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, while what this Sawyer guy did was really wrong and not at all cool, it also didn’t kill your parents? Has it still not hit you that as awful as that guy is, the really awful guy is actually your dad? You know, the guy who reacted to infidelity and conning with an intimate partner murder? That the real victim here isn’t your mom and dad but just your mom? And that while con artists are bad and all, the abuser is really the one who is actually responsible, and the one you should be mad at? Your parents aren’t dead because of Sawyer, dude, they’re dead because of your dad.” You know, if anyone was going to say that, you’d think that it would have been Miles. So I’m just giving up hope that it’s ever going to happen. But still: WTF?
SALLY: Sadly, that is a level of depth I never expected to see on this show, but you’re totally right. The moment that really hit me was when we saw the actual scene with little James and his mother and him hiding under the bed and all of that. That was the first time I was really like “but, this dude totally didn’t need to kill anybody!” After that, though, I just took it as the usual “we’ll go ahead and use this as we need it, k?”
On the island, Claire is all hot and cold with Kate – she holds her hand, then she attacks her, then she’s all thank you, I love you, be my BFF. Is this an internal battle between Real Claire and Smoked Claire? Or is it Smokey manipulating the situation?
CARA: I was honestly a whole lot more interested in Sayid’s reaction. Probably because I care more about the unknowns regarding his character than something I knew was going to happen 5 episodes ago. I was hoping that Sayid was going to prove that he wasn’t really totally evil, and that maybe he was just like Sawyer and going along for the ride because he wants a positive outcome for himself. Maybe he was manipulated by Smokey, and not really “sick,” right? Sadly, when Claire was trying to kill Kate, Sayid sat there and stared at Kate with cold, dead eyes while she pleaded for his help. The real Sayid would never, ever do that. Woe.
SALLY: Sayid’s reaction was quite discomforting. In terms of Claire, I think that her behavior continues to support my theory that Smokey inhabits the bodies of dead people while a piece of his Smokeyness can inhabit the near-dead. (Ok, I realize Sayid kind of goes against that but not really if Smokey decided he’d be more effective in Locke’s body which is true at any rate.) With that theory in mind, I think the Smokey in Claire is helping Flocke manipulate Kate to recruit her.
SADY: Some of this is addressed below, when we talk about how The Smoke Monster Was Born Of A Crazy Lady Smoke Monster Thus Has Issues, but… was anyone else like, REALLY BOTHERED by the intense abusive/paternalistic tone of the scene where Locke “calms Claire down?” First he grabs her (okay, since she needs to be separated from Kate), and then he whomps the hell out of her (NOT OKAY, by this point she has been separated from Kate), then he takes this very Daddy-is-disappointed-in-you tone when he tells her that violence is “completely inappropriate.” Like, the resonance in that scene, to my by-this-point-known-to-be-hypersensitive eyes, was that sometimes women get all irrational and if you, A Man, just smack them around and talk to them like children, you can gain control of the situation. Which… UNCOOL.
CARA: Yes, definitely bothered. The Smokey is Good theory is starting to lose steam …
Flocke tries to get to Kate by telling her that his mother was crazy and now Aaron has a crazy mother. Do you believe a word of this?
LAUREN: I’m seeing a lot of speculation on the “crazy mother” angle on fan sites, but it wasn’t clear whether this was MiB talking about his own life or whether he was just adopting Locke’s story to feed to Kate. If it was MiB talking about his own life, we’ve got a lot of epic Biblical and mythical stories to point to about brothers, twins, and “crazy mothers,” see Jacob and Esau, Zurvan Zoroastrian myth, Cain and Abel, etc., most of which probably don’t apply. In other news, Skull Baby was back, and he looks a little like Alf.
Before we close this topic, we can’t let the producers’ choice of a “crazy mother” storyline go without discussion.
CARA: Yes, seriously. The whole “crazy mother” thing really pissed me off, and clearly buys into a whole lot of really dangerous ableist and misogynistic tropes regarding mental illness, parenting, and a mothers’ role specifically. And reducing these issues to a discussion about “crazy mothers” was not only far too simplistic, it was also incredibly dehumanizing. I imagine that watching that scene as a parent with a mental illness had to be really painful, actually, and I’m incredibly disappointed by it.
The same goes with Claire’s characterization in general. In a lot of ways, I really, really love the new Claire. She’s a whole lot more interesting and badass than old Claire. But they’re also really playing up the whole OMG “CRAZY” angle in a way that’s making me very uncomfortable. (A couple hours after we had this conversation on Wednesday, meloukhia put up a post at her blog discussing these issues some more.)
LAUREN: You nailed it. It was such a simplistic, prescriptive warning against the dangers of “craziness” — which entail what, exactly? and what is crazy? and are you really qualified to tell me, Writers of Lost? — that I was left cold by the whole dialogue. Also, one definition of sexism in my book is “pat pseudo-psychological explanations of antisocial behavior that place blame at Mommy’s feet, see also: Freud.”
SALLY: That scene was really awkward, not just because of what was being said, but Flocke’s emotion in it and then Kate’s reaction to it. It seemed very… false. Not bad acting false, but more like “what is this doing here?” false. I like to think it’s because at the very least Terry O’Quinn is bothered by what the writers are doing as well.
Flocke sends Sawyer on a recon mission to Hydra Island. There, he finds Widmore and his people. What do you think they have planned?
LAUREN: I don’t feel like I know enough about Widmore’s intentions — or Jacob and Smokey — to make a call here. Why did Widmore have to kill all the Ajira survivors? Or did he? When Smokey says he just wants to go home, where is home? Why do they have to prevent him from going home? Is Widmore in this for Jacob, Smokey, or himself?
CARA: I’m honestly pretty surprised that Widmore and Smokey are apparently on opposite sides. I was expecting it to end up looking something like Ben/Jacob vs. Widmore/Smokey. Now it seems that it’s Widmore vs. Smokey but also Widmore vs. Ben. It’d be a little cool if defeating Smokey ended up requiring Ben and Widmore to work together. As for the Ajira survivors, I’m not sure if Widmore actually did kill them, but I definitely want to know who did.
SALLY: I initially thought that Smokey killed them, but he seemed surprised that Widmore was there, so now I think that’s not it. I, too, would like to see Widmore and Ben working together. It’d be a bit annoying if at this point there were more than two groups fighting it out. I’m not sure I could keep up with all the sides here. Then again, they couldn’t settle for a love triangle and needed to invent new dimensions to that, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
And, dun dun dunnnn – we’re finally getting our Richard episode! What do you hope they answer next week?
SALLY: I felt like singing and dancing from the rooftop when I saw the promo for next week. YAY RICHARD!
LAUREN: When I saw the promo I said out loud, “The Feministe panel is creaming their shorts right now.”
CARA: I believe that I have been vocally advocating for a Richard-centric episode since about Season 3. So, if it’s true, I am pretty much the happiest person ever. If once again, the promos are lying to us and leading us on, however, someone is going to get stabbed. I’m not saying who will be stabbed, or even who will be doing the stabbing! Simply that stabbing most definitely will occur.
As for what I’d like to see, I’d really like to know how exactly Richard was recruited by Jacob. And since we know that Richard has had previous interactions with Esau/Smokey/MIB/whatever we’re calling him now, I’d like to see that, too. I’m assuming that we’re going to break the structure of the season and see a flashback episode, anyway. I’m struggling to figure out how Richard could possibly have a flashsideways, as it would involve him not only having escaped the island before it sunk, but also continuing to not age off-island. I guess we shall see!
Great recap! Even the guy who writes the “Never Seen Lost” blog (the only other Lost recap I look forward to every week) said the theme of this week’s show was “misogyny”. Weird episode, and I hope they really do address all of the abusive themes brought up this week.
http://neverseenlost.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/episode-8-of-the-final-season-of-lost/
Yeah, Flocke “calming Claire down” was absurd. The attitude the show took toward it seemed to be “Sometimes bitches get crazy and you gotta smack ‘em.” And then he makes her go sit down (essentially in a time-out), and isn’t his dialogue like, “I’ll deal with you in a minute”? It couldn’t have been more blatantly paternalistic, and the show didn’t seem to be problematizing that at all. His reaction was shown as being exactly what Claire needed to apologize to Kate so they could share a hug accompanied by sappy amends-making music.
SO spot on… and as a mother and a person with Bi-Polar I was totally creeped out by the “crazy mother” angle, but couldn’t pinpoint or articulate exactly what was bothering me and why while watching it… now I know why I saw red.
I thought it was really ridiculous the way they had Charlotte find Sawyer’s Folder of Super Dark Memorabilia.
“Can I have a t-shirt?”
“Sure! Instead of getting one for you, I will instruct you to look through the drawer where I keep my most guarded secrets (but no t-shirts) and then I shall leave the room! I hope nothing happens!”
While I completely agree with you on your misogany examples, I would like to point out that Charlotte was AWESOME when Sawyer showed up at her door and tried to charm her. “You blew it”, I believe she said. I was delighted with that.
Eh. See, I might be in the minority here, but I totally thought that Charlotte was purposely snooping. She kept digging through the draw even though it was clear there were no tee-shirts there, and seemed to purposely be going all the way to the bottom in the corners and sides to see if something interesting was in there. Sawyer’s reaction was a bit extreme, I will grant. But if I caught someone going through a folder I kept under a giant ass piles of clothes, and which was obviously there because I wanted it to be hidden, I’d probably kick them out, too. I hate snoops.
On the other hand, I did love the “sad sunflower” remark.
I interpreted Smokey’s “mommy issues” in a different way–I had a theory that maybe as young immortals, Smokey and Jacob had vied for mom’s attention (where Mom is The Island). It’s still a fairly dysfunctional relationship, where Smokey just wants nothing more than to leave home, while Jacob is the one who feels compelled to be a caretaker. (I don’t think Jacob is the “good one” though. They’re both pretty messed-up.) And re: various dysfunctional moms, I guess I didn’t notice it as a theme (except in this episode) given the large number of characters on the show who have father issues (Jack, Claire, Locke, Sawyer, Kate, Miles, Penny, Ben, others who I can’t think of off the top of my head.) I just thought one of the themes of the show was Dysfunctional Parents.
I wanted to break my TV when Smokey hit Claire.
Honestly, Flocke was a typical abuser. He manipulates Claire, lies to her, isolates her, she acts the way many would as a result of this, and then he says she’s “crazy” and probably not a good mother to drive a wedge between Kate and Claire.
And I was very creeped out by Sawyer having sex with a perp/suspect/person of interest–with a freaking SWAT team outside, listening in. I mean. That’s not creepy and predatory at ALL.
And Kat, I don’t think that it was the fact that anyone had a mommy issue that we were upset about, either. Obviously daddy issues figure a lot more prominently. While we’d of course have to see the portrayal to be sure, I see nothing at all inherently wrong with a dysfunctional mother character. It’s the fact that it was specifically framed as “crazy mothers”.
I was fascinated by Sayid’s reaction…he had this look, not of evil, but of…being in a haze, like he was watching something on television.
I believe NotLocke’s behaviour was supposed to make us very uncomfortable. I suspect it is supposed to put to rest any notion that NotLocke is really just a decent guy who wants to leave the Island.
I am totally on board for Sady’s ABC lineup.
I kind of thought that the whole ‘crazy mother’ angle was a load of crap, specifically designed to make Kate think twice about her Claire rescue mission. It seemed like he is interested in getting Kate on his side, and is willing to sell Claire out to do it. I also wasn’t too bothered by the slapping, etc, because I don’t think we were supposed to think ‘good on you, Locke, that’ll calm her down’. I think we were supposed to be shocked and horrified; we were watching it from Kate’s POV and she was definitely not down with it.
Love Sawyer so much, I think I’m the only person left in the entire viewing audience who welled up a bit when he found the cage sex dress. I felt a little pissed off that he had so much time with Charlotte in the Alt, if only because she has no connection to him on island at all. I’d rather have seen Juliet, Jack, Hurley, Christian, Ana-Lucia, anyone at all who he had spent time with. Obviously I wouldn’t have wanted to see him have sex with Hurley, Jack or Christian. Well, maybe Jack. Now that would have been a twist, Lost. Totally agree that having sex with a suspect’s wife while his team listen is weird on so many different levels. I like to think that this is his tactic with everybody though, and Miles et al just roll their eyes and let him get on with it.
Richard next week! I’ve decided that I ship him and Ilana, so… get on that, show.
Cara, I agree with you that Charlotte was snooping through his drawer.
Does anyone find it weird that they brought in NEW characters at this point?! I mean, Zoey AND the con-artist lady that Sawyer entraps? At first I thought it was the same person (that, at least, would make some sense in the twisted non-sensical LOST world) but no, there are two new players who, so far, have nothing to do with the series.
I thought Charlotte was snooping as well. He told her top right drawer, she goes for the top left, sees no T-shirts, finds the book, and GRINS. I’m ambivalent about him kicking her out–he flipped out, for sure, and it was 3:00 a.m., which is not exactly safe to go traipsing outside, but. . .if it was a guy rifling through my stuff, I’d probably do the same damn thing. Still, I was glad Charlotte kicked him to the curb after, if only because way too many TV shows and movies show men who act like bullies and then get all sad eyed so the little woman takes them back. Barf.
I was more squicked by the obvious police misconduct in fucking a suspect. A–her lawyer will have a field day with that. B–I know the LAPD sucks, but you know? Wouldn’t someone be politic enough to say, um, Hay guise, if you do this and we tape it, etc. it’s really, really, really bad and we are so toast if the media gets wind of it.
All kinds of bad with that.
Did anyone else read the recap at Jezebel and want to explode with rage, re: what she did with the crazy mother angle?
Oh! Something I completely forgot in writing my analysis of the revenge against (real-)Sawyer plotline! When I was rewatching Season 5 before the final season started, I was just appalled — as in screaming “WHAT THE FUCK” at the television and to my husband, while flailing my arms wildly — when I noticed on the repeat viewing of the scene where we see young Sawyer writing his letter that the funeral for his parents is a joint funeral. There’s two coffins! I can’t possibly imagine what else was supposed to be going on there!
And what the hell is that? I mean, seriously? I cannot get over it. Yes, married couple dies together in a car crash or something, you have a joint funeral. You know when you don’t? When one spouse murders the other. I have no words. No words. That really should have been my indication, as a matter of fact, that Darlton totally do not get it at all and obviously believe Sawyers reasoning about who was really to blame for their deaths.
As for the sleeping with the suspect thing … yeah. That was pretty clearly a plot hole designed to make us temporarily think that the Sawyer we know is up to his old conning tricks. And then, bam! Twist! Only it wasn’t really thought through! Our bad! Yeah.
And Astraea, I don’t read Jezebel, but I’m kind of afraid to go find that post now …
Loved Sawyer and Miles, and Sawyer was looking pretty good. But yeah, boring episode, and poorly structured. All the new groups of people Lost introduced never bothered me before, but now that we have so little time left the introduction of the new sub people annoyed me.
Were all those dead people Ajira passengers? Did we know there were other survivors hanging out?
And what do you think FLocke wanted to actually happen to Ben if he chose to go to Hydra station? Was he hoping Ben would run into Sawyer? Did he actually plan to meet him there himself and truly was sending Sawyer to recon in preparation?
Cara, the post at Jezebel is horrible and no one called it out as far as I can see. She calls the men with (allegedly) crazy mommy issues “sons of bitches” and thinks it’s a fun play on Sawyers catch phrase. A couple commenters took this up and discussed which mothers are “bitches.”
I feel alone in that I deeply enjoyed this episode. My favorite mystery, since the ARG, has been Charles Widmore and WTF he’s doing. Now we have Widmore! And hot Sawyer! In a sub together! Making vague and poorly negotiated deals that will probably lead to multiple double-crosses! Also, the Miles/Sawyer fanfic writes itself.
Finally, I was really, really glad that Charlotte didn’t accept Sawyer’s apology. She saw that he has major issues and wants to stay far, far away from that. Smart woman, and a brand of smart woman we rarely see in popular culture. Usually, TV women are like Locke’s fiancee, forgiving seriously creepy shit because that’s our nurturing nature.
I also thought Charlotte was snooping; I went so far as to start questioning what she might have been looking for. When I watched it the second time I thought okay maybe she’s just innocently looking for a t-shirt, but I’m really not convinced of that.
Were all those dead people Ajira passengers? Did we know there were other survivors hanging out?
The more I think about it, the more I think Ilana & crew killed them. They were going to kill Lapidus until Ilana said he might be a candidate (which, STILL confused about how she suddenly knew who was and wasn’t one). I think they left them for dead.
Does anyone find it weird that they brought in NEW characters at this point?!
This bothered me at first, but then I realized they’ve been doing that with some of the episodes – Jack’s son, Sayid’s brother, etc. It’s funny though because my initial reaction was “oh, a new character? and a woman!! oh… but she’s joined by a bunch of dudes.”
Considering Flocke committed genocide on the Temple, I’m not shocked by his horrible treatment of Claire. Flocke lied and assaulted Claire to achieve his purposes. (to win Kate’s confidence.) Jacob crashed two planes to bring the candidates. Humans are only pawns to Jacob and Flocke. Ben killing Jacob was one of the few things he did right. Hopefully, someone will put Flocke out of his misery.
Jacob and Flocke created suffering to achieve their goals. The characters in Sideways universe are considerably more well-adjusted. That is because the Losties never encountered Jacob or Flocke. I’m wondering if Sideways universe is the real reality.
Astraea, why is Jezebel’s blog on “Recon” and the “sons of bitches” angle “horrible,” as you put it. It’s well-written, insightful and quite humorous. I thoroughly enjoyed it. What is so horrible?
I also thought of this as “proof Flocke is a bad guy” kind of move. As has been pointed out, classic abuser behaviour. Thing is, I am not sure Flocke sees it like that. I think he thinks creepily paternalistic behaviour and killing those who are “out to get him” is perfectly normal. Like he doesn’t realize that protecting the island (and the world) from him really is important because he’s a vicious bastard.
Like all great heels, he thinks he is the good guy.
LP, because she is calling the “crazy” women bitches.
oops, JP I meant.
“SADY: Some of this is addressed below, when we talk about how The Smoke Monster Was Born Of A Crazy Lady Smoke Monster Thus Has Issues, but… was anyone else like, REALLY BOTHERED by the intense abusive/paternalistic tone of the scene where Locke “calms Claire down?” First he grabs her (okay, since she needs to be separated from Kate), and then he whomps the hell out of her (NOT OKAY, by this point she has been separated from Kate), then he takes this very Daddy-is-disappointed-in-you tone when he tells her that violence is “completely inappropriate.” Like, the resonance in that scene, to my by-this-point-known-to-be-hypersensitive eyes, was that sometimes women get all irrational and if you, A Man, just smack them around and talk to them like children, you can gain control of the situation. Which… UNCOOL.”
I just had to say that I completely agree with the quote above. I thought there were a couple of violence-against-women points that stood out: when Locke hits Claire, and when Sawyer blows up on Charlotte because she discovers his binder with stuff about the original Sawyer.
Isn’t the whole message in this episode not The Danger of Crazy People, but The Danger of Manipulative Men? It seemed clear that Flocke was using Locke’s history to connect with Kate. And Claire’s craziness doesn’t seem at all about mental illness stereotypes, but an isolated person manipulated by a creature. Is there any indication that Flocke is a human? His character may be misogynistic, but is that the same thing as an endorsement of his methods by the writers? This whole episode read like a warning of paternalistic, Gaslight behavior, not “Women! Aren’t They Crazy?!”
Gina, that’s a good point. And now I wonder if Kate’s skepticism is fueled by this–her father was abusive, after all. She’s afraid of Claire, it sounds reasonable that Claire shouldn’t have access to Aaron because she’s “crazy,” but she’s acting the way any person who’s been isolated and deceived and manipulated would act. I hope Kate stays skeptical.
And was it me, or did she seem freaked out by Sawyer’s line about “you and me will get off this Island on the sub, Freckles”? Like, he’s reverting back to old Sawyer and she wasn’t all that okay with it. I think if it wasn’t for Claire, she’d have bolted by now.
And was it me, or did she seem freaked out by Sawyer’s line about “you and me will get off this Island on the sub, Freckles”? Like, he’s reverting back to old Sawyer and she wasn’t all that okay with it. I think if it wasn’t for Claire, she’d have bolted by now.
This was one of the few episodes in a long, long time where I wasn’t annoyed by Kate and actually had some sympathy for her. She is surrounded by people acting strangely, people she recognizes but suddenly doesn’t know. It makes sense if she’s a little freaked out by Sawyer’s behavior, wondering if he’s like the rest of them and whether she can trust him.
Ilana: How did Sady die?
Miles (closes eyes, concentrates on the ashes): “Recon” killed her. With boredom.
Ben: No that’s impossible! He’s lying!
Ilana: Are you sure?
Miles: It was standing over her with a boring dagger, so yeah, pretty sure.
(sorry cheesy I know)
One thing I noted is that when Locke told Ben that they’d be on Hydra island, he was lying. So did Locke know that Widmore was there? Was the point to get Widmore to kill Ben, and maybe get Ben to kill Ilana in the process?