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  1. chad
    chad May 6, 2010 at 9:14 am |

    Maybe MIB = Aaron. Didn’t some palm reader or something say that Aaron would grow up super evil if he wasn’t raised by Claire?

    I predict a Joker-like dilemma for Jack in which he has to decide to either kill a candidate or let Kate die.

    Also, Eko was the best character ever what with his big ass bible stick and all. They should totally bring him back. How many more episodes are there?

  2. Jessica
    Jessica May 6, 2010 at 9:29 am |

    Yes. I am so angry about this week’s episode and reading your entry makes me even angrier. I could not BELIEVE they killed off Sayid like they were just slapping together a plot sandwich. At least Sun and Jin got a Death Scene. I just could not stomach what they did to him. And I could not BELIEVE they had the audacity (no, that implies some measure of bravery; this was just lazy and thoughtless writing) assiness to strike off practically THE ONLY OTHER CHARACTERS OF COLOR LEFT.

    WTF LOST. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOMETHING FOR THIS. I’ve loved your show from the start and you do this to me to everyone?

    I’ve never had a particular preference for either Jack or Sawyer but I was kinda glad Sawyer screwed things up for once because I was getting sick of the whole Jack/martyr/woobie thing. It also just goes to show you that between the 2 white male leads, when confronted with a bomb, both will eff everyone over and only Sayid will do the smart thing (although I question whether dying for it was the smart thing).

    As for Kate…I’ve never really liked her, I don’t care, I just wonder how the hell the show got so far from the original premise of having a female lead.

    Two other notes:

    – Lapidus may not be dead because according to Lost Untangled, only 3 characters died
    – I thought the music box was a reference to Danielle Rousseau’s music box (not the same one, just a reference)

    Ugh. Gotta go take an Arabic final now, but you can bet I will still be plenty pissed when I get out!

  3. Thom
    Thom May 6, 2010 at 10:02 am |

    You all know that if you simply had jumped on with major love for Jack… he would have died like… three seasons ago and haunted Hurley.

  4. Shakatany
    Shakatany May 6, 2010 at 10:10 am |

    What kind of mother was Sun to not tell Jin that he had to live so their daughter wouldn’t be raised by her conniving father?

    Also what about the other children Karl and Emma? Are they dead or will the adults strand them so they end up somehow becomint the skeletons nicknamed Adam & Eve?

    Apparently there is so much to be stuffed into the finale that we’re getting an extra half hour. I’m sticking with the show to the bitter end – after 7 years I want to know if they can give us a satisfactory ending that will justify all the time spent/wasted watching the show?

    1. Jill
      Jill May 6, 2010 at 10:12 am | *

      What kind of mother was Sun to not tell Jin that he had to live so their daughter wouldn’t be raised by her conniving father?

      …wow.

  5. JoeyJoeJoe
    JoeyJoeJoe May 6, 2010 at 10:28 am |

    I’m surprised by how negative the reaction to this episode has been. I personally really enjoyed most of it, including the acting. Terry O’Quinn was particularly good. As for answering questions, Esau/MIB’s real motivation (to kill the candidates) seems pretty clear. As a leadup to the finale, it was pretty eventful, and I’m looking forward to the Jacob episode next week. I’m confident that the show will wrap everything up and answer all the improtant questions. And maybe Sun, Jin, Sayid, and Frank survive – the parallel reality could be the “real” one, whatever that means in terms of the show.

  6. Ashley
    Ashley May 6, 2010 at 10:33 am |

    I love Lost! I haven’t seen any of this season but I can’t wait!

  7. Sady
    Sady May 6, 2010 at 10:57 am |

    Oh, my GOD, Cara. If it had been Jin trapped behind that metal whatever-it-was? I would have cried like a baby and not been ashamed. You are a genius, because Sun needing to save Jin has been, like, what their entire relationship was about for so long, and (someone pointed this out in the comment section at TBD) a total reversal of the damsel-in-distress dynamic in a lot of ways. And it would have been, in some weird self-sacrificial way, a way for her to assert her strength and decisiveness and passion and all the stuff that makes her character good and compelling, and not just some BS relegation of Sun to a helpless ladything who cries and loves and whimpers and must be Saved By Some Dudes.

    Oh, although they both would have been dead! On the episode that killed off the majority of the people of color on the show, in one fell swoop! WHOOPS, I would still have been pissed off. BUT LESS SO!

  8. LC
    LC May 6, 2010 at 11:06 am |

    Yeah, this has reached BSG levels of “Way to tank the show, guys.”

    You’ve all dealt with just about anything I would raise.

    Maybe, just MAYBE, the finale could end up with something blow away, but it still wouldn’t make up for how badly paced and irritating this season is.

    I thought the mirrors thing was just a reference to Jacob has always watched them through the mirrors in his lighthouse.

  9. Linoleum Blownaparte
    Linoleum Blownaparte May 6, 2010 at 11:27 am |

    I’m not a big fan of the Death Scene; throwaway deaths strike me as more realistic, sudden and tragic. That being said, it still seemed phoned-in in this episode. In fact, this whole season seems more and more lifeless as it progresses. I’m not particularly interested in finding out any of the answers anymore.

    Killing off three or four of the more interesting characters, one of whom is the only woman with any kind of pathos on the show, isn’t helping to hold my interest.

  10. Astraea
    Astraea May 6, 2010 at 11:46 am |

    What Yunjin Kim gives for turning every Asian-lady stereotype upside down with the sheer force of her will, and continually radiating strength and intelligence even when the writers reduced her to this silent husband-fixated other? What Daniel Dae Kim gets for convincingly appearing to speak fluent Korean, which he just barely speaks in actuality, in scenes with an acclaimed actress from Korea who speaks the language, AND sketching out an interesting, full-fleshed character while seriously not knowing what the fuck he was saying half the time, and creating great chemistry with this actress despite the fact that he could probably hardly understand what SHE was saying in the Korean scenes? What ALL of these actors get is, they get blown the fuck up and drowned so that we can focus on some white people with vastly inferior talent.

    This made me tear up and moved me more than the episode. And I’m not being snarky here.

    I am so pissed I don’t even know. I saw this coming, I’ve complained about it for a while now, and I still feel betrayed. By shitty writing, by the prominance of the white dude shoved at the viewers. The deaths this week were simply gratuitous.

    I can’t even finish the post in one go because I get so damn angry. I’ve never been this angry about a show before.

  11. Astraea
    Astraea May 6, 2010 at 11:52 am |

    the events of anyone else’s life or death are really only relevant insofar as they affect JACK’S FEELINGS.

    OMFG like in the scene where he wants Locke to be "fixed" so he can "move on" to GIVE JACK COURAGE. And this was played as if JACK WAS BEING ALL AWESOME AND EMPATHETIC.

    I wanted Locke to punch him. Fuck you Jack. Fuck you Lost writers! (seriously, have I mentioned how angry I am?)

  12. Steve
    Steve May 6, 2010 at 11:59 am |

    First off I would like to thank everyone for their thoughts as they reflect many of my own… I cannot express how frustrated I’ve been with this show, but unfortunately I’m too committed to just walk away…

    This last episode really hammered home my grievances with the writing… Killing off three “major” characters who have been fleshed out from the very first episode pissed me off beyond belief as their deaths were meaningless thus making their roles in the overall story arch meaningless.

    Let’s face it the only thing Sun and Jin have provided to the overall story arch has been an archetypal, star-crossed lovers, heterosexual relationship (love conquers all) for the romantics watching the show… other than that what have Sun And Jin provided the overall plot? I was hoping they would play a major roll in the finale, but no…

    What role did Sayid’s character play in the overall arch? None… other than hey I’m good with gadgets, guns and torture and sacrificing himself to save others (why does redemption and sacrifice always need to be one’s death? oh it’s the greatest sacrifice of all… blah blah blah boring… I guess Ben is gonna die by sacrificing himself as well). Oh wait he shot Ben in the past… yeah… that was important… cause the whole time traveling to the 70’s really moved the story along (sarcasm doesn’t type well does it)… other then re-enforcing the notion that no matter what you do you cannot change fate (which now seems the whole purpose of the alternate time line), Yawn. Why did they bring him back from the dead only to kill him off a few episodes later, I figured he would play a bigger role if his character was important enough to bring back to life! But no… he’s like Trinity from the Matrix movies…

    This show has done this SO many times… let’s introduces some cool characters, spend lots of time with them, build them up, let the audience care for them and think they have an important role in the story, annnnnd… kill them off or write them out of the show… Let’s go through the list… Micheal, Walt, Charlie, Mr. Eco, Ana Lucia, Libby, Faraday, Juliet, the Others, the other Others, Lapidus, and our beloved Sun, Jin and Sayid.

    I don’t know… I have little faith in the show… hopefully I’ll be pleasantly surprised, though I’ll still remember all the filler from seasons 3, 4 and 5… sigh… wow I ramble

  13. Astraea
    Astraea May 6, 2010 at 12:20 pm |

    re: if Jin was the one who was trapped.

    i agree with Sady. I’d be pissed at this episode, but less pissed. Because I went into that death scene already in a really uncharitable mood because of course the two women in sub are both coincidentally rendered helpless in a disaster! If Jin had been trapped I might not have been thrown out of the moment like that.

  14. mical
    mical May 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    not only was sayid’s death/arc this season awful for all the reasons you pointed out, but it was also an Iraqi character martyring himself with a bomb. WAY TO GO LOST. any hope i was still clutching to for the end of the series died with this episode. “phoned in” really is a great way to describe it…this entire season really. UHG

  15. Jennifer
    Jennifer May 6, 2010 at 12:44 pm |

    Well, it is still weird that Ji-Yeon NEVER came up in their last conversation. Though at this point even if she had told him to live for their kid, what are Jin’s odds of getting back to Korea at this point? NOT VERY FUCKING GOOD. So…I almost give this a pass, but it should have been discussed verbally. But their being parents has always been handled shittily on this show. I never bought that Sun would abandon her daughter, especially knowing that going to the island again is probably a one-way trip. Even if the island is deadly for everyone, that kid was very hard-won, and she’d give it up? What?

    I am pissed as all hell that Jack is The Designated Hero, has the Contractual Immortality, and is now The Candidate. Good lord, I wouldn’t let Jack babysit my imaginary cat and he’s gonna be in charge of keeping Smokey in the bottle? Really? THAT’S A GOOD IDEA? Since WHEN? And why? Because he’s the white boy hero, that’s why, darnit!

    Kate will be the last woman alive, but probably will die (after Claire) for more Jears and angst. Nobody will care.

    Oh, and the ex-wife is Juliet, because who else is it gonna be? I don’t even CARE, I don’t know why anyone else cares.

  16. Jessica
    Jessica May 6, 2010 at 1:14 pm |

    I’m not a big fan of the Death Scene; throwaway deaths strike me as more realistic, sudden and tragic.

    Hmm, true, I hadn’t thought of that before. It’s just that in terms of Sayid being an important character who was STILL ALIVE by Season 6, I expected that they would at least try to do his death some justice. I totally agree with Steve that death is a stupid redemption though.

    And I agree with mical. Apparently in the Lost edition of Hooked on Phonics, B stands for Brown Guys and Bombs and ever shall the twain meet.

    And don’t even get me started about the whole Jin/Sun/Speaking in English During Highly Emotionally Charged Moments thing. I’ve been pissed off about that ever since their reunion.

  17. Phee
    Phee May 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm |

    After it was over, all I could think was, “If it’s Jack vs. Evil at the end, and we have to look at Jack’s determined I’M A LEADER BUT SOMETIMES I’M SCARED OR SAD face for an hour, I’m going to write a strongly worded letter.

    I think the writers’ attitude about women can be summarized in Sawyer’s line to Kate: “He doesn’t need you.” Cuz that’s what we’re left with. Jack only needs Kate because he hates not having closure. Also, he needs to fix stuff and she got shot. We’ve still got Claire, sort of, but her screaming “THEY’RE LEAVING US!” just reminded me of the scene in Jurassic Park after the T-Rex eats everyone and the little girl is screeching about the lawyer abandoning her and her brother in the car.

    I’m sort of hoping that Eloise swoops in with her amazing hair and kicks the shit out of everyone and then blows the island to smithereens. Or that Claire comes to her senses and kills everyone like she wanted to when she was Survivalist Claire, mother of cherished Skull Baby, only that now she does it because she’s realized how pointless this all is.

    And I’m glad someone else brought up how weird it was that Claire looked all smiley and comforted when Jack offered her a place to stay in sideways world. WTF??? You’ve had some seriously weird and dangerous shit happen since you landed. You just met this dude, and you just got a music box from a father you never met that no one can explain. Isn’t your awkward factor going up a bit? Don’t you want to go home?

    Maybe after all this is over, Aaron somehow gets to the island and becomes the next MIB, Sun and Jin’s daughter becomes the new Jacob, and the whole show starts over again.

  18. Heather
    Heather May 6, 2010 at 1:33 pm |

    UGHH
    I want a do-over of this entire season.

  19. Aaron
    Aaron May 6, 2010 at 1:36 pm |

    Sayid’s death was disappointing on any number of fronts. Yes, it does often seem as the story is “wrapped up” that the producers characters and story lines that were previously developed (or overdeveloped) are dropped. I had thought there was a lot of padding in past seasons, but in retrospect I underestimated the amount of padding – I had thought some of these stories were substantive or would tie together. It’s possible that some were dropped due to “running out of time to explain everything”, but then why all the padding? Some may have been dropped due to budgetary concerns, or the difficulty of recreating sets, rehiring actors from past seasons, and coordinating shoots; but what a waste.

    (I’m sorry – the pause after a bomb is apparently defused, followed by the acceleration of the timing device – is a cliché. Almost as much of a cliché as having the timer stop with one second remaining.)

    I hate Jack! But he’s the one who trusted MIB and “rescued” everyone from Smokey. Widmore actually was keeping them safe.

    If Widmore wanted to keep the survivors safe, he could have invited them into a well-defended bunker, behind active pylons, and explained his plan… or at least offered them coffee. Or he could have instructed his mercenaries, back when they were on the hunt for Ben, to be nice to the survivors. Or he could have given somebody, at some time in his life, the slightest hint that he cared for anything or anybody other than himself and his expensive whiskey.

    If I were to guess, possibly by virtue of Elouise Hawking’s apparent insight into both timelines, events are proceeding in accord with Widmore’s “plan”.

    Can we expect an explanation of “Ben vs. Widmore”, or of who was funding Ben and his operations?

    I don’t know why Kate isn’t a candidate, because her character hits every point all the other male candidates do.

    Maybe the lists of candidates don’t work in perfect parallel – that is, perhaps both sets of people are candidates, but for different things, and thus Kate is crossed off of one list while remaining on the other. I would love to learn how Kate was eliminated from the list, as it seems that for everybody else the only way to be eliminated is by dying.

  20. herong
    herong May 6, 2010 at 1:46 pm |

    SO SO SO SO SO SO ANGRY. If Hurley dies before the last episode I’m going to throw up. If he dies IN the last episode. I’m going to turn off the TV. I swear if it ends up being Jack v. Flocke, it’s going to be even MORE boring than BSG. Someone mentioned Miles being dead. I bet he is! Cause why not! He’s not white! And I bet at the end it’ll be Jack v. Flocke in some random battle of electro-magnectic emotions, then Kate will somehow do something boring and sexy and then Sawyer blah blah and then they’ll be all back on the plane. The end. Most boring boring in the world. So much rage. So much.

  21. Steve
    Steve May 6, 2010 at 1:54 pm |

    I want a do-over from season 3 on… it’s all been filler… leaving the island resulted in returning to the island where the only real character development has been Jack’s, time travel amounted to nothing other than creating the alternate time line, which appears to be all for not… the writers could have gotten to where we are now in plot in season 4, and not have wasted my time with useless story lines that have gone nowhere… grr

  22. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    If Sayid didn’t run with the bomb and Sawyer stayed next to it no one would have died. The candidates can’t kill themselves. Sayid took the bomb a safe distance away from the other candidates.

    But he’s the one who trusted MIB and “rescued” everyone from Smokey. Widmore actually was keeping them safe.

    I don’t think Widmore cares about the candidates. This seems like Widmore and the MIB were running a con on the LOSTIES. Widmore wants the island and the MIB wants off. I don’t think they trust each other. The MIB knew where to get the C-4. Widmore moved the fences. Notice Widmore and Zooey weren’t around when the MIB attacked. Desmond was Widmore’s security policy, in case the MIB tried to screw him.

    Side note: Widmore’s people were trying to kill the Losties at the submarine. So much for protecting. I hope Desmond kills Widmore.

    The MIB in electric magnetic energy. He was weak when he came out of the water. That is why he never attacked the Losties on the beach.

    I saw Sayid’s death coming. The Sun and Jin flashbacks bored the hell out of me. Why is Kate still alive. Let’s be honest: Kate is a horrible character. Evangeline Lilly was great in the Hurt Locker. Kate is merely on Lost to be the damsel in distress. Which is the role she served with Widmore holding the gun to her head. I would have preferred the producers killing Kate and keeping Juliet alive. The latter is smarter and a much better fighter.

    Side note 2: Hurley and Kate should be dead. There is no way Hurley is going to play lifeguard, buddy breathe and get Kate to the surface. I would have loved to seen that shot.

  23. J.Cob
    J.Cob May 6, 2010 at 2:16 pm |

    Seriously? I think you’re being too PC. I’m a person of color and I’m not at all offended that they killed off Sun and Jin. I also love the they subverted the idea of an Arab suicide bomber in Sayid’s heroic death. It was obvious to me from the beginning of Season 5 that these three characters were never going to make it to the end. Sun and Jin never showed any interest in taking a leadership role. Their character arcs were always about mending their broken relationship. Once that happened in season 4 the writers separated, because if they hadn’t there would be nothing left for them to do on the show. So of course, when the finally get back together they are killed the next episode. Their character arcs were fulfilled. As far as Sayid, he was always seeking to atone for his role as a torturer. But lets be honest he was never going to be the last one standing because of his past. He finally found redemption when he sacrificed his life for his friends. Come on, let’s be honest, could the writers really have achieved that any other way?

  24. Jessica
    Jessica May 6, 2010 at 2:47 pm |

    @J.Cob

    Well:

    1. This is in the same territory as “my best friend is black so [I'm right]“. At this point it doesn’t even matter whether anyone’s white or a POC, it doesn’t give anyone a unique perspective into this situation. You don’t have to be anyone of any particular colour to think that the Lost writers think the only good POC is a dead POC that serves the show’s purposes.

    2. A lot of people have said that he subverted the idea of the Arab suicide bomber. First of all, why the hell would that idea need to be subverted unless we could only conceive of fictional Arabs characters that have ties to terrorism? What, Sayid couldn’t have been a schoolteacher or a pro tennis player or something? Why did the fact that Sayid plays with his bombs need to be so central to his death and his character? Ignoring (for the sake of this argument) the fact that it’s stereotyped to have the Iraqi dude be a violent torturer anyway, if only because Naveen Andrews managed to pull such depth out of the role, why the hell should he, out of all the other fuckups on the island, have to die to redeem himself? The subtext is: “The only good Arab is a useful Arab and the only useful Arab is the one who dies for us [white people]“. Why should he have to throw himself on top of a bomb to serve white people?

    3. There is A LOT wrong if only alpha-male leader types are worth saving or living on the island. So much. They’re not just character arcs, they’re supposed to be people. And this is supposed to be good writing

    4. PC is a horribly overused term that basically means “Stop crying, crybabies” and prevents any serious and legitimate discussion of what is going on.

    5. They are fucking writers. It is literally their job to have an imagination. Just because we can’t imagine how they could’ve pulled it off, doesn’t mean they should get let off the hook.

    This is like the most I’ve ever written on Feministe.

  25. Jessica
    Jessica May 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm |

    Also let me clarify:

    Subverting the Arab terrorist stereotype = good. Sayid dying = bad, and a bad “subversion”.

  26. Mike
    Mike May 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm |

    I guess the end is truly here. With only three more episodes left, the producers have a lot of explaining to do. After scouring the internet for clues of what’s to come and piecing together some logic from past seasons, I’ve tried to breakdown what I think will end up happening in the next few weeks – and it’s a doozy. What other major characters will die (WHO’s even left to kill off??)? I think some more that people will REALLY care about – not just Jin & Sun. Where will the show end? Like it’s rumored, in hell? http://thesmogger.com/2010/04/30/lost-the-final-countdown/

  27. wolfa
    wolfa May 6, 2010 at 4:03 pm |

    While they were all in the sub, I was saying “Lots of death! Lots of death!” and so, on the one hand, I’m glad, on the other: why isn’t Jack dead? What happened to Lapidus? Why couldn’t we have killed Jack instead of, say, Sun and Jin and Sayid?

    I am even more convinced that sideways world is the better world now. Sun and Jin are together, alive; Locke is alive and with Helen; Hugo is mostly happy (although in what universe a multimillionaire can’t get a date I do not know); Claire hasn’t disappeared with some evil something into the jungle; Miles and Sawyer are awesome cops together; Ben hasn’t all but killed Alex. Of course, “it was all a dream alternate reality” is a crappy end to the series, but it’s not like “everyone but Jack dies” is in any way a better end.

  28. ShelbyWoo
    ShelbyWoo May 6, 2010 at 4:04 pm |

    Side note 2: Hurley and Kate should be dead. There is no way Hurley is going to play lifeguard, buddy breathe and get Kate to the surface. I would have loved to seen that shot.

    Is that so?

  29. ShelbyWoo
    ShelbyWoo May 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm |

    Who’s the last candidate that Flocke stormed off to kill thinking the others were dead in the sub explosion? It’s obviously not Claire since he didn’t kill her right then and there. Miles, maybe?

  30. oakdoll
    oakdoll May 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm |

    What did happen to Lapidus? His death scene must have been so short I missed it entirely. No fair. Last I remember he was with the submarine captain trying to surface the sub before the bomb went off. Did he get knocked out or something? I need to know, so that I can mourn him properly, because I loved him. I really did. I feel like the LOST writers have disrespected my love.

  31. Linoleum Blownaparte
    Linoleum Blownaparte May 6, 2010 at 4:49 pm |

    “Of course, “it was all a dream alternate reality” is a crappy end to the series, but it’s not like “everyone but Jack dies” is in any way a better end.”

    They could do both. My guess is that all but one person on the Island will die and that person will be Jacob’s replacement. At the same time, everyone in the Sideways/Bizarro World will live except for that person. So ultimately if Island Jack lives, Bizarro Jack dies.

  32. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 6, 2010 at 4:52 pm |

    If the candidates can’t kill themselves, Sayid would still be alive. Sayid was a candidate.

    @Cara: Sawyer didn’t die. Jack lit the dynamite and didn’t blow up.

    Another thought: is it me or is Desmond trapped in the most shallow well ever created. When Des talked to Sayid, he looked like he was only five feet deep. Can’t the dude just stand up and climb out. I realize the director needed both actors in the shot. However, I kept think that well isn’t very deep.

  33. Linoleum Blownaparte
    Linoleum Blownaparte May 6, 2010 at 5:11 pm |

    “However, I kept think that well isn’t very deep.”

    Must be a metaphor for the show.

  34. Brandon T
    Brandon T May 6, 2010 at 5:12 pm |

    The more I see, the more I’m convinced that the sideways plot line isn’t going to intersect with the island world in any way, and the only reason the sideways people remember the island is so that they can appreciate how good they’ve got it.

  35. Ryan
    Ryan May 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm |

    I feel like they’re going to end the show with Jack because they started it with Jack’s eyeball and it’s a way of saying, “See? We’ve known all along we were heading towards this coronation of Jack as the supreme king of the Island, we haven’t been making stuff up as we go along AT ALL.” (Although I know, they’ve admitted he was supposed to die at the end of the first episode.)

    As for Sun-Jin Titanic ending, I’m wondering if Brian K. Vaughan, one of writers on Lost, had anything to do with it. Without spoiling anything, a key relationship in his comic series “Y: The Last Man” came to a similarly abrupt ending in the final issues.

  36. JP
    JP May 6, 2010 at 5:36 pm |

    My *favorite* part of the whole episode was when Sayid tells Jack about the attack on the Smoking Club and Jack asks where the rest of the group is. Sayid responds, “Those that weren’t killed scattered into the jungle. It’s just the 3 of us now.” I actually started laughing out loud.

    To me that line is indicative of this latest episode, this season, and possibly the entire show. They have characters/plot lines that they eventually just forget about or glaze over or stick into the background….and usually the manner in which they deal with/explain these things (if they deal with them or explain them at all) ends up being very silly and not much more reasonable or substantial than “Oh those people? They ran into the jungle/disappeared/died/went zombie sick/got blown up. So…you know, no one cares anymore.”

  37. Ryan
    Ryan May 6, 2010 at 6:06 pm |

    I just wish that it hadn’t been yet again a woman put in the position of needing to be saved…

    Yes. I can’t imagine the writers ever deciding to have Jin be trapped and Sun stay behind for him. Or giving a woman character a backstory similar to Richard’s. (Her every action rooted in centuries of guilt and sadness over her failure to prevent her helpless, bedridden husband from dying…) There haven’t been nearly as many men in refrigerators as women in refrigerators on this show.

  38. Thom
    Thom May 7, 2010 at 10:36 am |

    I am pretty sure Frank is gonna show up alive… I’ve seen several official different sources state that only three folks died in the sub…

  39. Patrick
    Patrick May 7, 2010 at 11:43 am |

    I’ve made two images based on this episode I thought you all would enjoy. The first is a flow-chart I designed immediately following the episode; the second I made today after re-reading your post. If you don’t play online games, it might not make as much sense, but I think the idea’s still there.

    Enjoy, and feel free to repost!

  40. LC
    LC May 7, 2010 at 12:22 pm |

    Speaking of the filler, in 20 years when someone does a reboot/reimagining of the show, they will have the luxury of ripping up most of the 6 seasons and perhaps going for an ending that has any kind of weight to it.

    (Seriously, I am pretty certain that whatever ending they give us, half the people on this thread could have gone back and gotten us there in a more interesting manner.)

  41. Natalia
    Natalia May 8, 2010 at 12:33 am |

    I’m heartbroken.

    I fell in love with Jack starting with the first episode, and I’m glad that some of my own theories about him, largely faith-oriented, have been confirmed so far (and others challenged).

    Other than that, I’m still fucking heartbroken.

    And if something happens to Hurley, my favourite character, then I don’t know, dudes. Don’t blame politically motivated assassins if you hear about a random journalist’s head exploding in Moscow. Blame the LOST writers.

  42. Jessica
    Jessica May 8, 2010 at 8:04 am |

    Patrick, that is jenious. Reblogging it on Tumblr right now.

  43. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 8, 2010 at 3:40 pm |

    Oh, and yeah Michael, are you seriously going for “fat people are inept and nonathletic and can’t swim”? Because I can’t figure out what else you could be going for, and that is both incredibly inaccurate and extraordinarily uncool.

    My comment was snark at the show. Not at overweight people. I have a hard time buying anyone could buddy breathe and swim with an injured person from that depth. Considering that Hurley is not known as an action-oriented character (the exception is his fight with Sawyer), I do find it hard to believe. The same goes for Jack carrying Sawyer out of the sub.

    Do I think Hurley as a character is useless to the survival of the LOSTIES? Yes. Jorge Garcia does a fantastic job playing him. I think if the show was trying to be realistic to it’s own weird sci-fi reality, Hurley would have died long ago. The producers constantly point out anyone can die on the island. The first season Ethan moments and season 2 with the tail section did a good job with that LOST reality. Where the show always falters is having the LOSTIES constantly get captured. I can’t believe Hurley would survive longer than Eko, Juliet and Ana Lucia. Hurley is the character that wimpered and held his hand over his ears when Jack, Sawyer and Kate got tasered. Hurley just stood there. So no, I don’t believe Hurley could play lifeguard. It goes against the way the show has portrayed the character. That has nothing to do with the character’s weight. Hurley was meant to be comic relief and a lovable guy.

    I also got tired of Kate constantly going back to rescue people and getting captured. Juliet and Ana Lucia kicked ass. Kate is a lame character. (Kate has the most boring flashback episodes.) The show’s producers killed women that had survival skills. (We can add Eko into the list of bad ass characters that shouldn’t have died.) I would have an easier time believing Juliet, Eko and Ana Lucia making it out of the sub than Kate and Hurley. Realistically, all the LOSTIES should have died in the sub. But we are talking about LOST.

    I think that’s a rather narrow definition of killing oneself. Especially as Sawyer didn’t intentionally try to blow anything up, and Sayid intentionally blew himself up.

    I am going by the weird rules of the show. A character that has been Mark by Jacob can’t kill himself. Jack’s and Michael’s names were both marked in the lighthouse. Neither could successfully commit suicide. Michael was killed by Keamy’s bomb. Sayid was killed after Sawyer pulled the wires. Sayer wasn’t trying to kill himself. The Island rules are MIB can’t kill people marked by Jacob. The people marked by Jacob can kill each other. Even if it is accidently. Which is what Sawyer did. These are LOST rules. So I can be wrong.

  44. Raznor
    Raznor May 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm |

    Actually, I disagree, regarding Kate. The fact that Kate is the only one every character is certain isn’t a candidate leads me to believe that she is actually the only true candidate. We don’t know what Jacob’s rules are and he likes to fuck with us. Also I don’t think Kate really got shot. The fact is, Smokey wanted Jack on the sub and Claire off the sub, the only thing that allowed that to happen was that suddenly, all the trees where the characters just were are suddenly crawling with Widmore’s men, they just happen to shoot Kate at exactly the moment where Jack would have no choice but to try to treat her in the sub and they dive. Kate didn’t even seem to be bleeding when they were on shore, so I think that all of that, including Kate getting shot, was just an illusion created by Smokey.

  45. invisible_hand
    invisible_hand May 9, 2010 at 8:32 pm |

    i don’t think we are giving enough credit to the flash-sideways story line, which, in my opinion, will right all wrongs. while the regular story line played into some annoying trends, the sideways one will upset them with a fresh start.

    secondly, i think them harping over kate’s not being a candidate is actually setting us up. i think she actually is one, but we are being tricked.

  46. Natalie
    Natalie May 10, 2010 at 7:58 am |

    I know, I’m VERY late, but I just got to watch the episode last night.

    I feel like people who are saying “What a subversion! A suicide bomber for good!’ Are ignoring the fact that ALL suicide bombers are doing it because they think they are doing something good. Sayyid isn’t subverting anything by blowing himself up.

  47. Paul Escobar
    Paul Escobar May 11, 2010 at 2:50 am |

    Golden brown guy here.

    I finished watching “The Wire” last week.
    That show’s nothing but coloured people getting killed off like sport. Maybe ONE White guy gets injured (not killed, just shot).

    Yet Lost, specifically “The Candidate”, is the most racially offensive thing I’ve seen this month.

    It’s not that they died.
    It’s that the writers sooooooo didn’t care…

    The shows greatest ass-kicker, Sayid, had only 14 episodes…yet they reduced him to waddling & mumbling?!
    The shows greatest relationship (fuck the triangle) ends with with a blatant rip off of Titanic?

    You know if Sawyer was going to die, they wouldn’t keep him mute for 14 episodes. You know if Jack & Kate were going to die, it wouldn’t be some random material collapse that got them.

    It’s the contrast that just boils the blood…

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