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  1. herong
    herong May 25, 2010 at 12:54 pm |

    Despite carrying on religious themes for the duration of the show they were smart enough to keep things vague and non-denominational enough that us obsessive fan-geeks couldn’t research the subject’s accuracy into the ground.

    REALLY?? JACK’S FATHER’S NAME IS CHRISTIAN SHEPHARD!!!!! (Ps, that scene were Kate was like, really? was quite funny.) THEY WERE IN A CHURCH WITH ANGELS!!

    I liked the closure but I was SO disappointed to have watched 6 seasons of Christian allegory. And I was SO SO SO pissed to see possibly non-Christian members of the cast go to “Heaven.” Sayid is probably Islamic. While I can’t remember the specifics of Jin and Sun’s marriage ceremony, there’s a 20% chance they’re Buddhist. And all the “atheist” characters. So disappointing.

  2. Marc
    Marc May 25, 2010 at 12:57 pm |

    Great review, yall. I still think about Vincent and Jack and get a little chokey.

    The more I think about sideways world, the more awesome it feels as the afterlife weigh station, where you come to grips with the worldly issues that plagued you before moving on to the next level of consciousness. Think about Ben and Alex and Rousseau working through their relationships. Think about Widmore trying to make it all up to Des, even down to the whiskey. Think about Locke coping with killing his father on the island, or Jin trying to get over being such a crappy husband early on, or Jack finally learning how to emotionally connect with people through his not-kid. Sure, they mangled a few of the sideways figuring-stuff-out arcs (like Kate’s and Sayid’s) but they got a lot of them right.

    Then add in the implications of what we learned about the characters through dialogue in the afterlife — that Ben and Hurley had years of adventures together on the island, that Kate had been waiting decades to see Jack again (however lame their love seemed at times), etc. — and the whole thing seems pretty profound for network TV to me.

    Warts and all, I’d do it again.

  3. Marc
    Marc May 25, 2010 at 12:58 pm |

    Ack, apologies for poor use of lame. #fail

  4. Shakatany
    Shakatany May 25, 2010 at 1:30 pm |

    All I can say is that I want my 120 1/2 hours back!! I feel the ending was such a copout – the creators set up all these mysteries and made it so they never had to bother answering the questions that arose…very lazy scriptwriting. Yes the characters were interesting but so was all the plotlines with Hanso, the Dharma Initiative, the Egyptian statue etc. that were never cleared up.

    They wrote themselves into a corner re the island and left so many mysteries unsolved. It was for those answers that I stuck around for all these years. It came across a humongously long episode of “The Twilight Zone”.

    So if all that happened on the island was “real” did that mean the grownups took off leaving little Hank and Emma to fend for themselves? Or had they already been killed off by Widmore or Smokey. See it’s unresolved stuff like this that’s making me so mad.

    And can you imagine what happens when that plane touched down somewhere and people wanted to know what happened to the others on board and where it had been – “oh we were on a magic island with a smoke monster.” And Richard – can a man from the 19th century find his way around the 21st? All in all a frustrating mess :(

  5. Isabel
    Isabel May 25, 2010 at 1:51 pm |

    That said, the more I think about it, the more annoyed I get

    Yeah, that’s why I… don’t think about it very hard. Because: who needs thinking when you just have a lot of feelings! /mean girls

    It’s interesting to me that everyone is calling the post-white-light thing “heaven” – I get that they were in a church, but in the room with Christian’s coffin they did include a lot of symbols of other faiths. To me, it reminded me most of a tweaked version of the belief some people have that you keep living different lives till you live one that works out for you, basically, and then you go on to something else; and also a bit of the Our Town thing, where the dead are waiting for “what comes after,” which despite the explicit Christianity of many of the characters isn’t really, IMO, painted as necessarily in accordance with Christian beliefs (I mean: I would never refer to Our Town as a Christian play).

    I also am intrigued by Christian telling Jack “everything that ever happened to you is real” – to me that legitimizes the Sideways world as being not the reality we’re used to, but a different but equally true and important reality that exists in the LOSTverse. Less an afterlife, and more a next-life.

    And, speaking of what an A+ job the producers did of pandering, because you can interpret it however the hell you want, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it :) Seriously though, I have never seen such a fanservicey show. An hour in I started getting really nervous, because it’s such typical Lost style to make your heart swell and then stomp all over it, so I expected it to end with something horrible, like all of them dying. But then… they did die, because everyone died, and it wasn’t horrible at all. Which, bonus (and do I think the writers planned this? …maybe, not sure): remember the Jacob/MIB episode? What was Jacob’s biggest fear/one of his primary motivations? His inability to accept death. Jacob is the worst character ever on the show, and the finale proved him totally wrong about that (which, extra bonus, touches on a pet thing of mine).

    Also – like Sady (unless I’m misinterpreting her), I thought the plane at the end was Oceanic 815, and Jack died happy because he knew he was sending them off, in a way, to get a do-over.

    Unlike Sady, Lost has always been mostly about the characters to me, because I knew from like ten episodes into season one there was zero way this was ever getting explained via science fiction. It’s true that the writers are not super good at… actual writing, including characterization; but the casting crew deserves a fucking medal because the show was so fucking well-acted throughout, and the actors sold almost every thing that happened, even the stupid ones, so fucking well, that I fell for a lot of them. I mean: look how happy we were (self VERY much included) at the Sawyer and Juliet reunion, when we as an audience never saw that relationship happen. It was just like, BAM, relationship, but it worked, and became a thing a lot of people loved, pretty much entirely, in my opinion, because of the outstandingly compelling performances of Josh Holloway and Elizabeth Mitchell. So – the writers lucked out, in a way, because with a lesser cast I’d definitely react to their it’s-about-character statement all “lol no.” But, to me, the cast overcame the shitty writing.

    And, bonus on a kind of meta-level – by focusing the finale the way they did, the writers basically said “looking for answers in life is WAY less important than making out and having friends,” which as a committed apathetic agnostic basically sums up my own life philosophy.

    WHOA okay this is already tl;dr and not even close to all my thoughts, which I think means it’s time to take the rest to my own blog. But, those are the most important bits.

  6. Ian Samuel
    Ian Samuel May 25, 2010 at 1:52 pm |

    I was a huge fan of this finale and found it very moving. I think it is a polarizing finale in this way: If you liked LOST, you probably liked this finale a lot. If you’d started to not like LOST and were hoping for the finale to “redeem” it, then you probably hated it. The negative comments I’ve seen have all been of the form “this finale is just the most recent example of how LOST started sucking a while ago.” The positive comments have been from people who, like me, have liked the show throughout (while acknowledging that like any long creative work, there are better and worse parts) (tattoo episode).

    I’ve heard literally no one say “LOST was so great all through Season 6 but then I was let down by the very last episode.” I think that’s telling, and perfectly appropriate. The writers never intended to use this last episode to convince the haters; they wrote the show for the people who liked it.

    This fits in with my General Theorem of Art, which is simply that it is not important that a given artwork appeal to everyone; what matters is that it be, to some people, the best thing they have ever seen. The more people the better, obviously, but that is the only spot worth aiming for. It is better to have a hundred people think what you are doing is simply transcendent than to have a million people think it’s pretty good. (It’s best of all, of course, to have a million people think it’s transcendent.) (And you might make more money at the “1 million/pretty good” level; but that’s a [perfectly reasonable and valid] business concern separate from the artistic and aesthetic point I am making. Besides, you make most money of all at the “1 million/transcendent” level.)

    It will take many months and years of reflection before I can durably relate Lost to the other great television shows I have watched, like Six Feet Under, The Wire, and of course, the West Wing. But right now, Lost feels like the best thing I’ve ever seen. I loved it and anticipated it in a way that I have not ever for anything else, and I did so throughout; I TiVo’d the very first episode back in September 2004 (and it was one of the first things I TiVo’d, as I had just gotten one for my birthday in August) and have watched ever since.

    I felt like the finale was written for me, and people like me; people who loved Lost and cared more than anyone about how it ended. Lost’s finale will anger the people who didn’t like the show, but it wasn’t important that they like the finale. The finale didn’t matter to them. But it mattered a lot to me, and I felt like the writers and show runners and actors all understood that, and that they wrote—for two and a half hours—a finale just for me.

    So farewell, Lost. For now, and maybe forever, you’re the best thing I’ve ever seen.

  7. JP
    JP May 25, 2010 at 2:13 pm |

    I think the “but it’s about the CHARACTERS” argument is a total cop-out. The show is about the characters AND the mysteries of the island. Since the pilot! Don’t spend the first couple of seasons giving us SOLID answers to the various questions we have (i.e. what is the hatch? did the button actually do anything? why the polar bears?) and then just, you know…stop. I don’t need the answers to everything, I like figuring things out for myself. But don’t spend so much time focusing on what are obviously huge plot points (why is walt special? fertility problems? the origins of the island? frickin’ dharma and what they were doing all this time…) and then pull the “characters” card. It was the mysteries of the island that kept me interested, and how the characters were going to deal with these mysteries. Please, if I thought it was actually about Jack this entire time I don’t know if I could’ve kept watching it….

    As far as all the Jesus-y stuff, meh. The show has had a lot of Christian imagery throughout the show (Christian Shepherd, Eko’s stick and church, The heroine-Marys, baptizing Aaron, Eloise’s church) so I wasn’t much surprised. I did however really, really appreciate that in the room where Jack and Christian chat there is a stained glass window that has a cross, Star of David, an Aum, Buddhism wheel, Crescent moon and star, and a yin-yang. Also, that room has all sorts of artifacts from various religions. I think between that and the sorta catch-all concept of The Magical Light the creators are going for a general “having faith is good!” concept. The Christian imagery is of course the most predominant, and I don’t know what they’re saying about atheists, if anything, but I was happy to at least see other religions represented so it wasn’t just Jesus stuff. Although it does kinda parallel the rest of the series: Look! we’re diverse…but only to a point…then the focus is back on western Christian white males. Sadly, overall LOST still does a better job at diversity than most shows.

  8. Astraea
    Astraea May 25, 2010 at 2:14 pm |

    My biggest disappointment with Lost (aside from the issues with women) is that there was A Big Bad Villain who was Undoubtedly Evil.

  9. Hot Tramp
    Hot Tramp May 25, 2010 at 2:15 pm |

    I found the finale emotionally satisfying, but my engagement with Lost has always been primarily intellectual — I liked the mysteries and puzzles, and I wanted answers. For the first few seasons, I really believed that the writers had a coherent vision for what was happening on the island, and whether they did or not, we never actually got to see it.

    But hey, the sideways-verse never made a lick of sense as an alternate timeline caused by The Incident, so I guess it was better as purgatory?

    1. Cara
      Cara May 25, 2010 at 2:37 pm |

      What JP said. Down to the letter. No, it wasn’t about the characters. It was about the characters and mysteries. For me, it was probably a 60/40 or 55/45 split in favor of mysteries. (Though it depends on the character/mystery in question. I’d much rather that Sayid had a satisfying arc than learned anything to do with DHARMA or the statue or Walt.) And like JP also said, I’m annoyed at constantly being told that the show couldn’t have possibly provided satisfying answers — because a) if they couldn’t provide the answers, they shouldn’t have raised the questions as though they could, and b) they’ve proven in the past that they can provide answers in a way that is satisfying — or that if I actually wanted answers I just didn’t “get” what the show was all about. Actually, I’m pretty sure that I got it just fine. I’m pretty sure that they just pulled a bait and switch.

  10. Astraea
    Astraea May 25, 2010 at 2:32 pm |

    Ian, could we please go without calling people who didn’t love the finale or haven’t been 100% thrilled about the 6th season “haters?” It’s seriously annoying. I love LOST. I’ve been watching from the pilot, and I was defending the damn Temple and Ilana. But things took a turn for me and made it clear that a lot of things about LOST were just not my cup of tea, not to mention outright sexist. And yeah, parts of the finale confirmed things that I wasn’t happy with.

    But it’s hard enough to not be thrilled about a show I loved for 6 years without people claiming to be better fans and calling others haters.

    Isabel, I totally agree about the acting. What an amazing cast. I’m going to miss them.

    1. Cara
      Cara May 25, 2010 at 2:41 pm |

      Also what Astraea said! I’ve also been really annoyed about that, and it kind of broke my heart the other week when I read an interview with Damon and Carlton (linked in the last recap) where they basically treated the fans who were critical of recent developments as “haters” who wanted to hate it and wanted the show to fail. As someone who wanted nothing more than to believe that Damon and Carlton did know what the hell they were doing and that all would in fact be revealed, not to mention as someone who has invested so much time and energy into the show, that really hurt. It doesn’t feel a whole lot better coming from fellow fans.

  11. Astraea
    Astraea May 25, 2010 at 3:08 pm |

    they’ve proven in the past that they can provide answers in a way that is satisfying

    Exactly. The biggest mystery of the first season, the hatch, was dealt with brilliantly and consistently for 6 seasons.

    The sideways was a problem because it felt like bad writing. Obviously now we know why, but I’m really frustrated that it threw me out of the suspension of disbelief and honestly ruined the last season for me.

  12. Natalia
    Natalia May 25, 2010 at 3:17 pm |

    Oh Jack. *smile*

    You know, even at the end, I totally didn’t see Flocke as pure evil or anything like that. Sure, he was a villain and a very self-aware one, but knowing everything I know about him at this point? I feel sad that he was placed in those circumstances to begin with.

    Remember when he tells Jack that it’s “just like old times”? It was as if a little spark of goodness flared up in him for a second, before going out again. Makes me wistful.

    (And Jack’s reply to that little line was still very much spot-on, of course)

  13. LC
    LC May 25, 2010 at 3:24 pm |

    I’m with Cara on this, 100% Like any story, it is a mix. Maybe for some people it was 90/10 characters, sure. I think for most people a story like this is closer to 60/40 or 55/45. As Cara said, there are character arcs I cared about more and ones I cared about less. There were mysteries I cared about more and cared about less. But most important was that the mysteries informed the characters and how they paid off.

    But I do think most TV writers think of TV as soap operas where everything else is setting and so doesn’t matter. Only characters. Then they cover it up with the “hater” talk.

    Look, if they honestly thought their show was all about the characters and that was the only thing worth resolving, they wouldn’t have lied for years about having answers. They would have said that from the beginning. (Because that’s a perfectly valid way to do it.)

    As for answering the fertility and everything in DVD extras — besides the money-grab aspect of that, it just strikes me as more lazy writing. Look, I can stick in explanations for almost any of it, but what we wanted was for it to be important, mean something, and affect what was going on. (Well, those of us who thought the story of the island mattered at all.)

    I do agree with one thing. People who thought the show had clearly lost its way and become just all about Jack being cryface and the important white dude and were hoping for some way the show came back to a better mix were disappointed. Those who had long ago decided they liked it better as a series of unconnected events that let us see characters do things (with great acting and production values) had little problem with the end.

  14. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick May 25, 2010 at 3:40 pm |

    As I discuss below, I was surprisingly pleased about the Sayid/Shannon reunion. I always thought that Nadia was the love of Sayid’s life, and would have assumed that he’d have rather been with her … but as far as things go, they pulled it off pretty well.

    One thing I remarked on at another forum was that amid all the talk about whether Nadia was the love of Sayid’s life, not many people ask if he was the love of hers. She loved him, and that’s great, but did getting together with him represent a positive change to her life, how she saw herself? I’d argue no; she knew her worth as a person, and seemed to have a pretty good life when we saw Locke briefly meet her during her Sayid-less years. But he did represent such a change for Shannon – being with someone who actually thought she deserved some respect gave her something she needed, and that Nadia didn’t seem to need. And that’s why it being Shannon at the end worked for me.

  15. Sheelzebub
    Sheelzebub May 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm |

    I loved the Sayid and Shannon reunion–then again, I liked them as a couple–at first grudgingly (because, I shamelessly admit, I’m in total lust over Naveen Andrews and hated the Shannon character)–then quite enthusiastically. They brought out the best in each other and were acquainted with the worst–or at least the pretty bad. I liked the fact that Sayid didn’t put up with Shannon’s shit but wasn’t a sexist douche about it–he just very quietly said something like “You know, Shannon, you’re actually a very capable person, you don’t need me to do this stuff for you.”

    I could see them good-naturedly bickering over what to get for their annual summer barbecue. I liked Nadia, but I guess I liked the Shannon connection because it showed Sayid, in a way, moving on, accepting his past (while not condoning it) and being with someone who was flawed and unidealized. And not being with her in a way where it was obvious he settled for second best.

    And I liked the fact that Shannon sort of blossomed with him. She did stuff for herself. She showed she was fluent in French. She did stuff for the other Losties–like watch Vincent (and wow, she was a bit obsessed about that).

  16. Astraea
    Astraea May 25, 2010 at 4:38 pm |

    I think that it didn’t have to be someone’s One True Love that made them aware in the sideways, but that was kind of muddled because of what Desmond and Daniel said. I was actually happy that at least one couple was not Epic OTP, and was a little more normal. Others already said the same thing I was thinking, which was that Sayid needed Shannon because Nadia did not help him move on from what held him back. They were good for each other.

  17. Max Van
    Max Van May 25, 2010 at 5:05 pm |

    Gee, maybe i’m cynical, but I think a big percentage of the reason for so few answers and for the, ahem, “Character driven’ focus towards the end is to put all the answers on ‘extras’ that can only be purchased with the ultra-deluxe Blu ray set that you know they’ll be shilling within moments. They’ve had the final season on pre-order at Amazon for 6 months already, so why not? It reminds me of professional wrestling- why give away a good match on free TV, when you can get people to pay for the match on Pay per view.

  18. LC
    LC May 25, 2010 at 5:22 pm |

    It reminds me of professional wrestling- why give away a good match on free TV, when you can get people to pay for the match on Pay per view.


  19. Paul Escobar
    Paul Escobar May 25, 2010 at 6:33 pm |

    3 Questions:

    1) Am I right in assuming that people who died “on the island” are trapped “on the island” like Casper the friendly ghost? (thinking of Michael & Richard’s wife)

    2) If their souls are trapped on the island, then how did Sayid/Shannnon/Boone/Sun/Jin/Bernard/Rose show up in purgatory?
    They all died on/near the island (Shannon/Boone/Bernard/Rose died on the island, while Sayid/Sun/Jin died like Michael, offshore)

    3) Why was “Heaven” less appealing than purgatory?
    The implication was that once they crossed over into heaven, they’d lose what they currently have (friendships, loves, etc.).
    Like how Elouise feared losing her son Daniel…why would heaven want to sever that bond?

  20. Mike
    Mike May 25, 2010 at 7:24 pm |

    Love it or hate it, the fact is that the finale is just that: final. It was a fitting end to a series that brought amazing characters to your living room and made you think about life, death, science, faith, and so much more for 6 years. What will you do now? You can’t get that from The Jersey Shore or The Hills.

  21. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 25, 2010 at 8:46 pm |

    I am going to miss the Feministe Lost posts. They have been humorous, entertaining, and thought-provoking. Time to cue Vincent.

  22. Amanda Marcotte
    Amanda Marcotte May 25, 2010 at 9:53 pm |

    I think Michael and Ana Lucia and Ben and all will move on, once they resolve their issues. Michael, like you noted, said as much. I like to imagine that the Michael on the island whispering is one version of Michael. Another is in Sideways Land, and after Ana Lucia takes that bribe, she runs in to Michael. And they become friends and through this, forgiveness is achieved and they move on. Much how Ben was atoning by befriending Alex and Rousseau.

  23. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 25, 2010 at 10:23 pm |

    A quick thought: I’m bothered the young sister and brother kidnapped by the Others are still on the island. Jacob putting these kids on a list has to be his highest douchebag moment.

  24. S.A. Small
    S.A. Small May 26, 2010 at 1:34 am |

    My girlfriend astutely noted that all of the women in the church scene were paired off, unlike, say, Locke. So, to the last, the same sorts of issues with women and/or folk of color persist. Which is depressing, because there were few shows I was more religious about than LOST.

    I’m with everyone who had to process this episode. I ended up rewatching the last five or so minutes, and followed it up with the pre-finale recap and the Jimmy Kimmel (!) special. (Matthew Fox thinks that sideways world is purgatory: take that with a grain of salt.)

    The purgatory/dreaming explanation was heavy-handed at best, but the sideways stuff was pretty enjoyable up until that point. Maybe the writers’ mistake was trying to explain anything: I’m with Sady and Lauren that the character-based stuff was most effective (i.e., affecting).

    [Re: the missing stuff on the (not free with the price of cable) DVDs…sometimes people leave out important stuff for no understandable reason. (Ex: George Lucas left out the scene in Star Wars III where Nat Portman’s character FOUNDS THE F**KING REBEL ALLIANCE.) So, maybe it’s the motherlode or whatever.]

    Long story short, I was kinda mad right after but am more sanguine about it now.

  25. hated it
    hated it May 26, 2010 at 1:56 am |

    I hated this for a myriad reasons, but this comment section is the first I’ve run into people still wondering what happened to the kids (zak and emma). I think its pretty clear that they’re dead- they were either killed in the temple by smokey or by widmore’s bombs. It wasn’t explicitly shown, so you can hope they’ll have a shocking lapidusesque recovery, but I don’t think there’s much hope for them.

    also, why is it an asshole move for the others to take them? its not like they were torn apart from their family- in fact the got to live with a group of people that knew how not to suffer on the island.

  26. mia
    mia May 26, 2010 at 5:15 am |

    EPIC FAIL. After 6 years of unbelievable intellectual debates and in depth banter with friends and family that lasted hours after the episodes, I for one feel cheated, led on, and completely shocked at what they gave us for an ending to this marvelous ride. After experiencing philosophy, psychology, sci-fi, fantasy, theology, pop-culture, heartwrenching and heartwarming drama for all these years, to let us down and bring it all to a close with some ‘white light’ and a very fast paced ‘touch and re-live six years of memories” in less than 10 seconds each character, was an insult and a shock! Where are OUR ANSWERS????!!!! I mean, c’mon? We already figured out they were all DEAD three seasons ago!!! Is that why we had to wait months and months in the middle of a season before the writers figured out what they were going to do-knowing that die hard fans already figured it out???? It could have been an EPIC ending to the most thought provoking, smart, brain bending and unbelievably creative treasure on TV in decades, but they obviously did NOT know where they were going and for them to not expect more out of us (their audience) is a huge let down of epic proportions. I feel completely BETRAYED. SHAME ON YOU LOST WRITERS!! SHAME ON YOU ABC!!!

  27. Thom
    Thom May 26, 2010 at 10:35 am |

    The actor who played Eko actually expressed interest in returning for the finale, and the producers tried to cut a deal, but it was late enough that they did not arrive at a deal in time, which is unfortunate. Yeah, according to the actor who played Michael, he is still on the island, although, who is to say Hurley and Ben could not have changed the rule?

    I am unsure why some think Richard adjusting to the 21st century is such a big deal. He has left the island numerous times and seems more than used to the modern world and technology.

    It’s also interesting to me that I have seen a few Christians complain about the vague ending that they felt validated all religions as equal. :)

  28. Thom
    Thom May 26, 2010 at 10:48 am |

    I to am confused, Cara. Apparently, the die hards kept that a secret, because I do not remember any theories that they were dead in the sideways world. Three seasons ago they were all alive…

    1. Cara
      Cara May 26, 2010 at 11:41 am |

      Well there was no sideways world three years ago. So that would be quite a theory, indeed! I remember lots of people thinking that they were all dead on the island (or in purgatory) during the first season, but … that’s not what ultimately happened.

      I’d heard that Eko wanted to come back, too, which is why I was REALLY disappointed that he wasn’t there. I hadn’t heard anything about them being unable to cut a deal, though. Any idea where you read that?

  29. Erica
    Erica May 26, 2010 at 11:35 am |

    I think the “we already figured out they were dead” thing comes from all those moments a few season back where characters (Locke’s father, for instance) insinuated that the island was hell and everyone was dead. Richard, too, suggested this, though I think he later said it was just a metaphor.

  30. Astraea
    Astraea May 26, 2010 at 11:36 am |

    But I guess the point is that MIB as Smokey is an evil entity, and that MIB himself was never pure evil. This would go with the theory I posed that week that perhaps Smokey was all the evil inside of MIB in this new form (which, admittedly, I sort of came up with on the fly but am more convinced of now).

    Yeah, that makes sense but it still annoys me, lol. It feels like the wanted it both ways.

    I am unsure why some think Richard adjusting to the 21st century is such a big deal. He has left the island numerous times and seems more than used to the modern world and technology.

    Yeah, it might take some adjustment to get used to the regular world but he seemed to be well adjusted to the present day. Nestor told his fans during a Q&A that he and Ken Leung decided that Miles would help him out off the island.

  31. Astraea
    Astraea May 26, 2010 at 12:26 pm |

    According to E!Online the actor who played Eko wanted more money for the appearance than they were willing to pay.

    I don’t think he wanted to go back to the show.

  32. Michael Hussey
    Michael Hussey May 26, 2010 at 2:33 pm |

    also, why is it an asshole move for the others to take them? its not like they were torn apart from their family- in fact the got to live with a group of people that knew how not to suffer on the island.

    Zak and Emma told Ana Lucia their mother was waiting for them at LAX. The Others took the kids because Jacob put them on the list. Remember the list Ana Lucia found and Mr. Friendly scolding Ethan for not getting all the people on list. The lists was made by Jacob because they contained first and last names of Oceanic 815 passengers. It is unlikely the Others would know that the first night of the crash.

    I can’t speak for everyone else, but I wouldn’t want (pre-redemption) Ben, Mr. Friendly and Patchy raising my kids. The Others raised Ethan and look how that turned out. Ethan tried to kill Charlie and was going to kill Claire, in order to take her baby.

    Jacob recruited people who were weak and flawed. The result was a cult of scared and violent people. Jacob brought the Dharma people and Others on the island and the result was a war he never lifted a finger to stop. (Remember, Ben said most of the Others weren’t born on the island.) Cindy, the Oceanic stewardess, became an Other, and was willing to help the Temple Others kill the Losties. What saved the Losties was Hurley having Jacob’s ankh.

    The Others are nothing more than a violent cult/militia. When Oceanic 815 crashed the Others first thought wasn’t to help the survivors. The Others wanted to know who Jacob wanted kidnapped. They provided no aid and killed two of the survivors (Goodwyn and Ethan each killed one.) So, I ask: would you want these people raising children? Seriously.

  33. JP
    JP May 26, 2010 at 3:55 pm |

    Bahahaa! College Humor did a fantastic job of summing up all of the remaining questions that were NEVER SOLVED in lieu of “character development.”

  34. agentamerica
    agentamerica May 26, 2010 at 4:06 pm |

    @Sady- I don’t believe it was that Ana-Lucia, Eko, etc didn’t make it into the afterlife… they just didn’t do so with the LOST group. The most important parts of their lives were not spent with the LOST people, but with their own families, etc. It wasn’t because they weren’t “good enough”.

    As for Ben getting in, I don’t think he turned down the invite just because he could and was doing so great but because he couldn’t get in yet. He still had to make amends with all those he’d done wrong. And maybe he never did get to enter, because time did not matter in the church and some got in years after others.

    Great points about the baby thing though!

    @Cara- Smokey wanted to leave the island so bad because he was formerly Jacob’s brother- and remember how the brother wanted to get off the island so bad? He didn’t buy into their mother’s saying there was nothing beyond the island and from early on he wanted to get off the island to see the world.

    And maybe pregnant women die on the island because there’s a phallus-thing blocking the vagina-thing at the heart of the island? :)

  35. norbizness
    norbizness May 26, 2010 at 4:59 pm |

    That pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of my ever watching Season 6.

  36. Anony Mouse
    Anony Mouse May 26, 2010 at 5:41 pm |

    I don’t think any work of fiction should definitively assert that God exists and thereby effectively make God a character; it’s deus ex machina, it’s a solution that’s too big and too easy to make for a compelling story. . . I think you should always have an alternate explanation for that power’s “actions” within the story so as to leave some mystery in the picture. Otherwise, it’s just a hubristic and cheesy move.

    Damn, Milton just got told.

  37. SunlessNick
    SunlessNick May 27, 2010 at 6:11 am |

    I remember lots of people thinking that they were all dead on the island (or in purgatory) during the first season, but … that’s not what ultimately happened.

    But a large number of people are inexplicably convinced that it was.

  38. Natalie
    Natalie June 2, 2010 at 7:02 pm |

    Super late to this thread, but in response to comment #1 Sayyid is not “Islamic.” Things are Islamic, people are Muslim.

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