For being the first country in Latin America to legalize same-sex marriage.
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and as im sure you already know, gay marriage has been PROVEN to increase the abortion rate. no wonder you GODLESS LIBERAL BABYKILLERS are so gung ho about it.
I’m invoking Poe’s Law. I can’t tell if that was a joke or an actual bigot.
I was going with “joke” (and a hilarious one if it is), which is why I let it through.
@dole
+1 For [in]appropriate capitalization and lack of apostrophes and hyphens. You lose points for correct spelling though.
If gay marriage increases the abortion rate, that would be amazing. I mean, I know there are TONS AND TONS of pregnancies in gay relationships, but…………
:P
Abortion precludes baby killing, doesn’t it?
Is the US going to be the last homophobic country among the developed nations?
Shame on us and kudos to Argentina.
“Abortion precludes babykilling, doesn’t it?”
no.
men marrying men and abortion are INTERCONNECTED. ill quote jill fory ou on it;
“anti-rape activism cannot be separated from action for reproductive freedom, anti-racism, LGBT rights”
if abortion cannot be separated from anti-rape activism, and LBTG rights cannot be separated from anti-rape activism, then gay marriage cannot be seperated from abortion. take a euclid course for crying out loud, its like one of the axioms.
you can’t seperate the boofooing from the babykilling, thats for sure.
@dole
“Take a euclid course”
HAH. That’s a retort my classically trivium/quadrivium old school liberal arts-minded mind actually appreciates. I actually -have- taken a euclid course, although the stuff after book five is quite a bit hazy for me.
Of course if you’ve taken a euclid course, you know book 1 postulate 5 (not an axiom, but axiomatic for sure) is not necessarily (logically) true and in fact is the entire entry point for the non-euclidean geometry of super-large spaces, Lobechavsky’s surprising insights, and Rhiemannian geometry. The actual substance of your unrelated non-argument are actually factually untrue.
@Christina,
We might be. For all of the US’s “greatness,” we’re lagging really far behind in some surprising areas. Like having the second-to-highest infant mortality rate for a developed country (as of 2006). It’s sad, I know.
Are you really that dense? Saying that activism on the parts of various oppressed and marginalized groups – i.e. LGBT, women, POC, etc – is all interconnected in certain ways does not mean each and every one is directly connected to each other in specific tangible ways.
Anti-rape activism cannot be separated from reproductive rights because women who have become pregnant after being raped are often barred from getting an abortion or find it extremely difficult to do so even if it is legal. There are places all around the country (and the world) passing laws or trying to pass laws to make abortion illegal even for rape victims. This is (one reason) why those forms of activism are related.
Anti-rape activism cannot be separated from LGBT rights because LGBT people are often at an even greater risk of being sexually assaulted because of their sexuality or gender identity, or in some cases are labeled as predators because of their sexuality or gender identity. These are (some reasons) why those forms of activism are related.
However – none of that means in any fucking logical world that gay rights = more abortions. If that’s what you infer from what Jill said, you are either being wildly purposely obtuse or you’re just really stupid.
And by the way – “reproductive rights” does NOT just mean “abortion”. You do know that women also fight, under the heading of reproductive rights, for some women to be able to have children? Certain groups of women are targeted for sterilization because certain people in power don’t want them having babies because they don’t have the right kind of babies. We fight against that bullshit too, so that any women who wants a child can have one…and yes, we also fight so that a woman who doesn’t want a child isn’t forced to have one.
You guys, Dole is right. Every time gay people have sex, a fetus gets its wings.
actually jill, whenever a fetus is carried to term, someones gayness is CURED. i bet you feel stupid now huh?
You got me!
So, Jill, when’s the next season of Top Troll?
If only they’d done it before the World Cup. Watching two countries where gay marriage has been legal for years battle it out for the prize last Sunday seems to have sent the right message. Vamos Argentina 2014, eh? Gay marriage wins championships.
Is the US going to be the last homophobic country among the developed nations?
No, that’ll be us Aussies.
*sigh*
re: the US being the last homophobic country among developed nations
a.) not supporting gay marriage is not homophobic. plenty of queer and gay people don’t support gay marriage.
2.) having gay marriage certainly does not mean that the u.s. will be any less homophobic.
In Spain the people were less homophobic, and that was the reason why the gay marriage was approved, I think that “less homophobic”, come first.
Here there were very few gay or queer people that didn’t support gay marriage, even if they did’t marry after the law was approved.
I’ll have you know, I’ve never killed a baby in my life….(unless you count masterbation..then its a much different story. Speaking of masterbation, feel better about your rather insensical rant?)
If you want me to try to cobble together sense for you…if you’re implying that the possibility of having gay children is going to drive the abortion rate higher the way the one child rule has influenced spikes in female infantacides…that speaks more to the rabid anti-gay culture in our societies that needs to change than it does anything else.
@Bex – Yes, “plenty” of gay people don’t support same sex marriage in America. We call them Log Cabin Republicans. And the argument there roughly translates to them having internalised so much self loathing and stigma of the dominant culture that they’re the ultimite conformists. Plenty of black people don’t support integration. They’re members of the black sepratist party (and listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center’s website as being a hate group), notice how being anti-white to the point of violence is still connoted as racism? Being anti-gay to the point of supressing rights is in fact homophobic (or worse).
@The Amazing Kim
Yeah, the Australian ban on gay marriage is terrible (SO disappointed Gillard’s not even sounding amenable), but really, it’s no contest compared to the US (and it won’t be for a very long time, I suspect). Having legal recognition of defacto couples including full equality with that for same-sex couples makes Australia infinitely better even with a DOMA-like bill. Add in immigration rights and the need for gay marriage is much less. Don’t get me wrong, I really want gay marriage (as a married trans woman, at the moment I need to get divorced to change my documents which is ONLY there cos of DOMA), and there’s still inequality lurking of course… but it’s certainly much less pressing than in the US.
@g_whiz
actually, no.
“plenty” of us are not log cabin republicans. and our reasons for not supporting gay marriage have nothing to do with “internalized self loathing.”
see Michael Warner’s “The Trouble With Normal” for instance. or even queerkidssaynomarriage.wordpress.com
it’s a myth that the only people against gay marriage would be conservative. and there are certainly more than a few of us who feel that gay marriage is WAY over-prioritized.
bex* – even if you think it’s “over-prioritized”, that’s not the point. The point is that if there are many many LGBT people who want to be able to get married like straight people – and there are many many many of them – then they should have that right REGARDLESS of how YOU feel about it, and regardless of your orientation. You being a member of the LGBT community doesn’t make your wish to deny rights to other members any less wrong. Just because it doesn’t matter to you doesn’t mean it shouldn’t matter to anyone.