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  1. Anna
    Anna September 22, 2010 at 2:04 pm |

    off-topic comment: text transcription in-video may be adequate for folks whose trouble with videos is no access to audio (whether technological or in their own person), but for people whose internet access disables or otherwise makes video viewing impossible, it’s basically useless. While it’s manageable in a pinch, it should not be considered a substitute for independent transcripts.

    1. Jill
      Jill September 22, 2010 at 2:05 pm | *

      Ah, I didn’t realize that Anna. I will work on getting a transcript.

      1. Jill
        Jill September 22, 2010 at 2:22 pm | *

        The post has now been updated with a transcript. Thanks for the heads up, Anna.

  2. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie September 22, 2010 at 4:29 pm |

    Of course, the answer is always: Then you slutty poor women shouldn’t get pregnant.

    I’m so sick of everything.

  3. Politicalguineapig
    Politicalguineapig September 23, 2010 at 9:22 am |

    Ugh, and you know what’s worse? Viagra is covered by tax dollars. It serves little to no medical purpose. So why is it covered by tax dollars when abortion isn’t? We should make those horny senators and congressmen pay for their own vanity drugs. Or threaten Viagra’s coverage by Medicaid and Medicare until the Hyde Amendment is dropped.

  4. PrettyAmiable
    PrettyAmiable September 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm |

    Politicalguineapig: It serves little to no medical purpose.

    Um, I would argue that low sex drive might affect some people very much, and I think I probably disagree with your implied definition of “medical purpose.” I think Viagra should be funded, but I also think we need to speed up development of female versions of the drug and cover the shit out of that too.

    And of course fund abortions. I just don’t think those things are connected, necessarily.

  5. Jivin J’s Life Links 9-23-10 - Jill Stanek

    [...] Feministe, a guest blogger posts a video by the Center for Reproductive Rights about the Hyde Amendment. [...]

  6. Politicalguineapig
    Politicalguineapig September 23, 2010 at 3:02 pm |

    PrettyAmiable: Yeah, but we’d get a whole lot of lobbying power if we made it a tit-for-tat situation. Carpe testes, if you will.
    And I know I’m going to get a whoole lot of shit for this, but I just don’t see the point of Viagra or female sex drugs. Sex is a luxury, not neccesarily a required part of life. (Biologically, it’s a neccisity, individually, no.)
    Besides, I can see the potential for a whole lot of misuse if the female sex drugs get sold over the counter. My dislike of viagra and it’s clones has nothing to do with the users and everything to do with the creep factor.

    * Would I like to have sex? Yes. But that requires investing money I don’t have in clothes, makeup, and contraceptives and someone trustworthy. Because I’m neither blond nor well-endowed, I’d end up with all the creeps.)

    1. Jill
      Jill September 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm | *

      And I know I’m going to get a whoole lot of shit for this, but I just don’t see the point of Viagra or female sex drugs. Sex is a luxury, not neccesarily a required part of life. (Biologically, it’s a neccisity, individually, no.)
      Besides, I can see the potential for a whole lot of misuse if the female sex drugs get sold over the counter. My dislike of viagra and it’s clones has nothing to do with the users and everything to do with the creep factor.

      …you know that this same argument goes for abortion and birth control pills, right?

  7. PrettyAmiable
    PrettyAmiable September 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm |

    Funny story, but my not-conventionally-attractive, minimum-wage-making sister fucks. She does have a rack on her, so I suppose that’s the difference and that’s how she manages to find men who aren’t creeps who also like to fuck. [/snark].

    If you don’t want to have sex and can’t make the investment (which I would argue is not monetary so much as emotional), that’s cool. I’m not putting up roadblocks to you not-fucking. My understanding is that feminism wasn’t about restricting anyone’s sexuality just because it doesn’t suit you or your actions, but I suppose I may be wrong.

    “Besides, I can see the potential for a whole lot of misuse if the female sex drugs get sold over the counter.”

    And this point irritates me every time it’s made. EVERYTHING EVER is open to abuse. You know the morning after pill is available OTC? Clearly the menz are going to use it to force women to have abortions!

    No.

  8. Martine Votvik
    Martine Votvik September 23, 2010 at 3:36 pm |

    Land of the Free, Home of the Brave = some get to be free, others must settle for brave…

    It’s something I will never understand about the US, how it can pretend/believe that something so horrible is justice and liberty. Or any liberal philosophy in general, which preaches choice, while scrutinising and distrusting the actual choices of people. Freedom, freedom, freedom, just make sure that no greedy/lazy/slutty individual abuses the system. And literally “god forbid” that people don’t live by “good christian” standards. what kind of freedom is that anyway?

    Doesn’t the people fighting to keep it that way realise how bigoted they are being?

  9. slingshot
    slingshot September 23, 2010 at 4:42 pm |

    Viagra has nothing to do with sex drive. It just gives you an erection.

  10. slingshot
    slingshot September 23, 2010 at 4:44 pm |

    I think a healthy sexual life (by yourself or with others) IS part of healthcare. I would be rather depressed if I wasn’t able to masturbate or have sex with my partner.

  11. Politicalguineapig
    Politicalguineapig September 23, 2010 at 10:31 pm |

    Slingshot: Erections are a major part of sex, as I understand it.

  12. Rkel
    Rkel September 24, 2010 at 3:48 am |

    Politicalguineapig: Slingshot: Erections are a major part of sex, as I understand it.  

    I’ll just drop this brainwave I had: Maybe sex and sexuality is related to an individual’s mental state?

    In all seriousness, are you merely rejecting the funding of viagra because it has something to do with erections? MEN’S erections?

  13. piny
    piny September 24, 2010 at 12:28 pm |

    PG, I can´t find a nice way to respond to what you´ve said about your personal life–¨If you don´t mind my asking, how old are you again?” was about the best I could manage. So I´ll just refrain.

    I can discuss your attitude towards other people´s sex lives. You–excuse me, some people–may think of sex as something they might like to have, like a danish or a coffee-table book about national parks. For most people, it´s a part of life, inextricable from the human relationships that underpin their adult existence.

    Whatever you think of the wisdom or relative ease of abstinence (it is a lot less messy than lack of access to modern medicine), your feelings and accordant practices are not generally shared. They weren´t really common even back when there was no such thing as reliable birth control or a cure for sexual dysfunction.

    People fuck a lot, and they can either do so in emotional and physical health or in grief, fear, and desperation. What is the point in acting as though it bothers us that other people have lots of sex that makes them happy? I can see the political advantage for, say, dominionists. But why would we do it?

  14. slingshot
    slingshot September 24, 2010 at 3:42 pm |

    Politicalguineapig: Slingshot: Erections are a major part of sex, as I understand it.  

    Well, some sex. Sex can surely happen without erections. But it does not have to do with sex drive. If you have no sex drive, viagra will not help.

    And “sex is a luxury”?? Really? So poor people, or people with sexual dysfunction, etc don’t deserve sex? (or masturbation either? If your a guy it might be hard to masturbate without an erection.)

    Please, it’s not a luxury, it’s a FACT OF LIFE. Most people consider there sexuality a necessary part of their happiness and health.

  15. kario
    kario October 20, 2010 at 1:24 pm |

    Sorry to see the discussion has gotten so far off track. My opinion is that ensuring that women have the right to choose necessarily means that they ought to have access to those choices equally as well. You wouldn’t tell someone that they can choose between having chemotherapy or surgery and then follow that up by saying, but the surgery isn’t really an option. Then where’s the choice?

    Abortion coverage is part of healthcare coverage. Period. Fund it.

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