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  1. Thomas MacAulay Millar
    Thomas MacAulay Millar April 19, 2011 at 2:36 pm |

    Mo goats, mo problems. Now that’s advice you can use.

  2. Elizabeth
    Elizabeth April 19, 2011 at 2:50 pm |

    I can’t read it atm as my work has blocked the site. However, I’m pretty excited to, as I generally love their posts and find them awesome.

  3. Arkady
    Arkady April 19, 2011 at 3:10 pm |

    The word most associated with women who prefer gentle to rough sex is ‘England’… statistics are fascinating sometimes…

  4. mjameson
    mjameson April 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm |

    Why would you not date vegetarians? We are super tight.

    And, we are down for oral sex.

  5. Nahida
    Nahida April 19, 2011 at 3:11 pm |

    You know, I always hated it when a guy referred to his dick as meat. I am a vegetarian, but the primary reason it puts me off is because meat does not belong in my pussy, and may cause an infection.

  6. mjameson
    mjameson April 19, 2011 at 3:13 pm |

    @Nahida

    SmartSausages are pretty much sterile. Just sayin’ . . .

  7. Nahida
    Nahida April 19, 2011 at 3:14 pm |

    Wait, is my comment in the spam filter cause I used a word that I think one of the mods mentioned would put comments in the spam filter?

    *comments again*

    You know, I always hated it when a guy referred to his dick as meat. I am a vegetarian, but the primary reason it put me off is because meat does not belong in my vagina (changed), and may cause an infection.

  8. ACG
    ACG April 19, 2011 at 3:31 pm |

    Arkady:
    The word most associated with women who prefer gentle to rough sex is ‘England’… statistics are fascinating sometimes…

    As in “lie back and think of…”?

  9. Lindsay Beyerstein
    Lindsay Beyerstein April 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm |

    I love OK Cupid’s list of vegetarian-friendly sexual euphemisms, especially, “Putting Monsanto in yoursanto.”

    Are you Roundup Ready, baby?

  10. Thomas MacAulay Millar
    Thomas MacAulay Millar April 19, 2011 at 4:20 pm |

    “Putting Monsanto in yoursanto.”

    Corporate world domination roleplay is a hard limit for me.

  11. PrettyAmiable
    PrettyAmiable April 19, 2011 at 4:23 pm |

    I thought less but didn’t want to say anything, hahahaha. I couldn’t remember the correct proportions for gambling (why the hell didn’t they just put it in percents?) but my anecdotal evidence suggests dudes (on average) are less into giving head than chicks are. Since their bars are higher, I imagine higher bars indicate less willingness. So the way I’m reading this (back in gambling terms) is if you pick a random vegetarian dude and placed a dollar bet that he’d go down on you and he does, you get $9 back (i.e. the odds are stacked against you).

    Seriously though, why not put that shit in percent? And now that I think about it, I don’t even know if gambling works that way.

    Also, the Monsanto one made me laugh at length. Maybe it’s because I met a lot of Monsanto people at b school and never have I ever met people I wanted to bone less.

  12. isitisabel
    isitisabel April 19, 2011 at 4:46 pm |

    I literally lol’ed at Chart 9. My school is the red one way in the top corner, and from what I’ve seen/heard, the chart does not lie.

    I read the vegetarian/oral sex chart as the likelihood they WILL enjoy oral sex. As in, the odds are 7-ish to 1 that a non-vegetarian man will enjoy giving oral sex, so 7/8 non-veg men enjoy it. I have to say, though, that Monsanto pretty much kills any lady-boner for me.

  13. Icaarus
    Icaarus April 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm |

    @Jill and @PrettyAmiable
    If we start with the assumption supported by OKTrends use of language and the order of the ratio a.k.a. 20:1 not 1:20 then we get the situation where higher means more. This is supported by the use of ratios on the twitter graph later. Under that assumption:

    PrettyAmiable:
    I thought less but didn’t want to say anything, hahahaha. I couldn’t remember the correct proportions for gambling (why the hell didn’t they just put it in percents?) but my anecdotal evidence suggests dudes (on average) are less into giving head than chicks are.

    This is where the culturally normal modes of discussion and the data differ. The data was analyzing “People who enjoy giving oral sex” not people who do give oral sex. Which also has the further conclusion that since on average more girls then guys do give (based on anecdotal discussion), then the guy going down is more likely to actually be enjoying himself than the girl (statistically, please don’t flame me just because you like giving head). But the data does directly state two facts Vegetarians like giving more than non-vegetarians, and guys like giving more than girls.

    If we further this with a little more anecdotal background (veggies taste better and veggies are more likely to date each other). Maybe this graph could be explained by men are whores and people eat what tastes good. -Just saying.

    And under the opposite of the assumption assumption, which I do not believe the author was not trying to convey:
    Veggies are uptight and women are more likely to enjoy giving head.

    Either way the reason that this was done with ratios rather than percentages was to highlight the differences more clearly without needing huge graphs.

    One final caveat – while I have not shied away from vulgarity with this response, the trends and views are only brought forth from statistical data and large group discussions, they are in no way an indicator of my personal opinion, which if asked I will explain. Either way, it’s one ambiguous plot in an otherwise insightful post from OKTrends. Thank you Jill for commenting on it here.

  14. Sid
    Sid April 19, 2011 at 4:55 pm |

    Lindsay Beyerstein:
    I love OK Cupid’s list of vegetarian-friendly sexual euphemisms, especially, “Putting Monsanto in yoursanto.”

    Are you Roundup Ready, baby?

    Does this men can sue women for “saving seed”?

  15. Mama Mia
    Mama Mia April 19, 2011 at 4:56 pm |

    “Does the vegetarian chart indicate that vegetarians are more likely to enjoy oral sex, or less?”

    A 1:1 odds says that something will definitely happen. 2:1 says it is a little less likely. So if the veggies are 9:1 and the non-veggies are 7:1, the veggies are less likely to enjoy giving oral sex.

    Sad. But I will remain a veggie.

  16. Icaarus
    Icaarus April 19, 2011 at 5:00 pm |

    Since this is a feminist blog, what’s up with the large number of women that don’t admit to masturbating? I mean, I read the bible quote and I can’t help but think that god meant you shouldn’t #ingyourself where your livestock eats, which could be reasonable. How does that translate to you should never #ingyourself?

    *note #ingyourself to those that have not read the article in discussion was a direct reference to another section in the article – now go read the article.

  17. Jadey
    Jadey April 19, 2011 at 5:13 pm |

    OKCupid, while adorable, kind of exemplifies the problem of having too much data and not enough theory.

  18. Nerd
    Nerd April 19, 2011 at 5:14 pm |

    Jill:
    Ok, question for nerds: Does the vegetarian chart indicate that vegetarians are more likely to enjoy oral sex, or less? I say more, a friend says less. Someone explain.

    Here’s an answer from a nerd. [Disclaimer: Nerd is not a vegetarian, is male, and enjoys oral sex]. It’s an oddly designed chart, but your friend is right. The higher bar indicates longer odds that any given person will enjoy giving oral sex. So if you randomly selected a non-vegetarian male, there is a one in seven (14%) chance that he will enjoy it, while with a randomly selected vegetarian man, there is only about a one in nine-and-a-half (just over 10%) chance.

    To really nerd out, I’d say that there could be a selection bias at work here. OK Cupid has a reputation for attracting younger, more liberal folks. It may be that most of the male, non-vegetarian, oral-sex haters out there are also not on OK Cupid and so the sample is skewed. #waymoreinfothanyouwanted

  19. Lori
    Lori April 19, 2011 at 6:23 pm |

    All I can say is, I’m so fucking confused by the article, and I have an advanced degree. I’m guessing that it wasn’t intended to be understood by a 39-year-old married woman who is at the end of her “dirty thirties”, though.

  20. mjameson
    mjameson April 19, 2011 at 6:32 pm |

    @Jill, Nerd, Mama Mia

    There are some incorrect interpretations of these odds rations being floated around. The following quote is from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odds

    “The odds in favor of an event or a proposition are expressed as the ratio of a pair of integers, such that the first represents the relative likelihood that the event will happen, and the second, the relative likelihood it won’t, as in “the odds that a randomly chosen day of the week is a Sunday are one to six,” which is sometimes written 1:6, or 1/7.”

    So, from reading the graph, the odds that a vegetarian male enjoys giving oral sex (bright green bar) are 9:1, meaning the likelihood that he enjoys giving oral sex is 9 times greater than the likelihood that he does not enjoy giving oral sex (i.e. there is a 90% chance that he enjoys giving oral sex). For a non-veggie male, around 7:1 odds, so LESS likely that the non-veggie male enjoys giving. Women are lower across the board, with about 3:1 odds that a veggie female enjoys giving (so 75% chance she enjoys) versus almost 1:1 (50% chance).

    Whomever said 1:1 means 100% chance of something occurring, by the way, is mistaken, according to the standard definition offered above. 1:1 would mean equal chance (1=1) that the event occurs or does not occur (or 50% chance the event occurs).

  21. mjameson
    mjameson April 19, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

    Should read, “odds ratios,” rather than “odds rations.”

    Also, should read: “. . . versus almost 1:1 (50% chance) for non-veggie females.”

  22. Laura C
    Laura C April 19, 2011 at 6:56 pm |

    “Average” appears to be the “middle class” of body types — an enormous range of people claims it. Because that’s how I’d describe myself and I’m pretty sure Jill is noticeably thinner than me.

  23. Nahida
    Nahida April 19, 2011 at 7:01 pm |

    Jill: I hate to tell you this, sister, but of all the things you can put in your pussy that are likely to cause infections, dicks are pretty high on the list.

    Oh gross, I just realized this is true!

  24. Nahida
    Nahida April 19, 2011 at 7:21 pm |

    I use Twitter every day

    I don’t use Twitter. I have a Twitter just to follow Jill on Twitter. And even after that, I realized I didn’t need to make an account because I just Google her Twitter. I am an accurately clingy person.

    I also think oral sex is kinda weird, and that anal is even weirder.

    OKCupid is SCIENCE!

  25. Raja
    Raja April 19, 2011 at 7:37 pm |

    I don’t think OkCupid would be the best site to get data on these things, some of the data was a bit strange imo.

  26. Athenia
    Athenia April 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm |

    My ex-vegan bf said that he could taste the difference between vegan vagina and non-vegan vagina.

    I told him that I really hope my vagina tasted like chocolate chip cookies then!

  27. Frowner
    Frowner April 19, 2011 at 8:38 pm |

    I find myself wondering just what people mean by “rough sex” and “gentle sex”, and how much this is a linguistic distinction rather than a distinction of practices – ie, if you think of yourself as punk and obsessive, are you more likely to describe what you do as “rough” than if you think of yourself as an anglophile gardener, regardless of actual practice? “Rough” and “gentle” are either nebulous or cliche-ridden, depending on how you interpret them.

  28. Pidgey
    Pidgey April 19, 2011 at 8:53 pm |

    I do get a little sad seeing how much my sex drive is expected to drop off as I get older. I am one of possibly very few people who found the shock site “lemon party” endearing (For those who don’t know it is a NSFW image of three gay men who appear to be in their 70s or 80s). I will struggle hard even against my own biology to be a dirty old man!

    @Nahida That’s how it starts. A few months ago I started reading one person’s twitter, googling that twitter when I wanted to look. Then she referenced another twitter account that I saved to my browser’s favorites. Then there was another twitter account…
    Now I have my own account and compulsively check twitter over a half dozen times a day. Though it is nice having new feministe articles appear on my Twitter feed.

  29. Nahida
    Nahida April 19, 2011 at 9:05 pm |

    Frowner: I find myself wondering just what people mean by “rough sex” and “gentle sex”, and how much this is a linguistic distinction rather than a distinction of practices – ie, if you think of yourself as punk and obsessive, are you more likely to describe what you do as “rough” than if you think of yourself as an anglophile gardener, regardless of actual practice? “Rough” and “gentle” are either nebulous or cliche-ridden, depending on how you interpret them.

    I was not happy with this question, as I suspect many would like both. I don’t like questions that force me to choose.

    @Pidgey I shall be on the lookout for telltale signs. X_X

  30. Tony
    Tony April 19, 2011 at 9:07 pm |

    Yeah, an OK Cupid survey is like an IMDB survey. There is massive selection bias, the goal here is entertainment, not enlightenment. :)

  31. DanaR
    DanaR April 19, 2011 at 9:44 pm |

    I do get a little sad seeing how much my sex drive is expected to drop off as I get older. I am one of possibly very few people who found the shock site “lemon party” endearing (For those who don’t know it is a NSFW image of three gay men who appear to be in their 70s or 80s). I will struggle hard even against my own biology to be a dirty old man!

    OT but me too! I thought it was awesome, and gross that it was being passed around as “soooo wrong”. Hmph.

  32. Raja
    Raja April 20, 2011 at 1:41 am |

    I first saw lemon party when I was about 13 years old because being one of the youngest players on the server I was playing on, some of the older members in the community thought it would be funny to prank me. needless to say its one of the many i still remember…but honestly the image itself isn’t all that shocking.

  33. Oern
    Oern April 20, 2011 at 2:58 am |

    Jill:
    Ok, question for nerds: Does the vegetarian chart indicate that vegetarians are more likely to enjoy oral sex, or less? I say more, a friend says less. Someone explain.

    That depends. Let’s consider that the author knew what she was doing. An odd of x:y means that for every x positive outcomes there are y negative ones. In that case 1:3 is an odd for something meaning a chance of 25% of something happening or being true. 1:1 means a 50% chance.

    A ratio of 9.3:1 for vegetarian men means that for 9.3 men that do enjoy giving oral sex there is one that does not.

    I have a problem with the chart though. It says that 60% of women enjoy giving oral sex and 87% of men. Does that sound correct? In this case vegetarians enjoy it more.

    If the author confused 8:1 for 1:8 it means that 40% of women enjoy it and 13% of men do. And vegetarians like it less.

    Now which one is more plausible?

  34. LC
    LC April 20, 2011 at 8:41 am |

    Thomas @13

    That just made my day. (Also, probably a hard limit for me, too.)

  35. Wendell
    Wendell April 20, 2011 at 11:29 am |

    Thomas MacAulay Millar:
    Mo goats, mo problems.Now that’s advice you can use.

    No doubt. But the author bought into the modern, incorrect interpretation of the story of Onan. To those who told those stories back then, continuing the family line was most important. By using the withdrawal method with his recently-deceased-brother’s wife, Onan refused to provide his brother a (male) heir (maybe cos he wanted a larger share of the family loot). Thus the lord smote his ass. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2205/what-exactly-was-the-sin-of-onan

    The actual stories behind the stories can be interesting, if you filter out more recent baggage. imnsho

  36. mjameson
    mjameson April 20, 2011 at 7:17 pm |

    @Oern
    Do you really think it’s plausible that only 13% of men on OKCupid like giving oral sex, and that the study authors don’t understand odds ratios? Those both seem implausible.

  37. Oern
    Oern April 22, 2011 at 4:49 am |

    @mjameson

    We can to consider that
    a) this is averaged for all ages. It would be wrong to only think of 30 year olds
    b) Members of OKCupid are not representative of the general population

    Personally I don’t think that the analyst got the math wrong. She meant to say 87%. But it baffles me. I’m really _really_ sure that tonight in America there will be more oral sex performed on penises than vulvas.

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