Shorter Scott Adams: Men are naturally rapists, cheaters and dick-pic-texters (and maybe Scott Adams likes pegging?)

How I knew this post was going to be terrible:

1. It’s by Scott Adams.
2. It’s called “pegs and holes.”
3. You can probably guess who’s the peg and who’s the hole.
4. There’s a strained metaphor about zebras and lions and watering holes.
5. You can guess who’s the zebra and who’s the lion.
6. Hugh Hefner plays the Everyman.

So:

If you have a round peg that doesn’t fit in a square hole, do you blame the peg or the hole? You probably blame neither. We don’t assign blame to inanimate objects. But you might have some questions about the person who provided you with these mismatched items and set you up to fail.

If a lion and a zebra show up at the same watering hole, and the lion kills the zebra, whose fault is that? Maybe you say the lion is at fault for doing the killing. Maybe you say the zebra should have chosen a safer watering hole. But in the end, you probably conclude that both animals acted according to their natures, so no one is to blame. However, if this is your local zoo, you might have some questions about who put the lions with the zebras in the same habitat.

Now consider human males. No doubt you have noticed an alarming trend in the news. Powerful men have been behaving badly, e.g. tweeting, raping, cheating, and being offensive to just about everyone in the entire world. The current view of such things is that the men are to blame for their own bad behavior. That seems right. Obviously we shouldn’t blame the victims. I think we all agree on that point. Blame and shame are society’s tools for keeping things under control.

The part that interests me is that society is organized in such a way that the natural instincts of men are shameful and criminal while the natural instincts of women are mostly legal and acceptable. In other words, men are born as round pegs in a society full of square holes. Whose fault is that? Do you blame the baby who didn’t ask to be born male? Or do you blame the society that brought him into the world, all round-pegged and turgid, and said, “Here’s your square hole”?

The way society is organized at the moment, we have no choice but to blame men for bad behavior. If we allowed men to act like unrestrained horny animals, all hell would break loose. All I’m saying is that society has evolved to keep males in a state of continuous unfulfilled urges, more commonly known as unhappiness. No one planned it that way. Things just drifted in that direction.

The “natural instincts” of men are to rape women and tweet photos of their dicks? That’s some jungle.

The rest of the post is just as bad, and is mostly a disturbing look into Scott Adams’ mind — he would apparently be raping up a storm if bitches ladies weren’t making him a slave to their laws and their rules and their morals. And he seems to be under the impression that men who sexually assault women are just finally giving in to the kinds of natural urges that all men have to force sex on unwilling females. Because all men, in Scott Adams’ head, are misogynist brutes who don’t see women as people and who basically view the female body as a semen recepticle over which they should have full rights. Scott Adams’ perception of men? REALLY BAD. The worst. Scott Adams kind of makes it sound like men should just be exiled to a private island where they can brutalize each other and text as many dick pictures as they want without harming women (women, of course, are gentle and moral creatures). Which makes Scott Adams a super-radical man-hating feminist, maybe? Welcome to the dark side, pal.

About Jill

Jill began blogging for Feministe in 2005. She has since written as a weekly columnist for the Guardian newspaper and in April 2014 she was appointed as senior political writer for Cosmopolitan magazine.
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117 Responses to Shorter Scott Adams: Men are naturally rapists, cheaters and dick-pic-texters (and maybe Scott Adams likes pegging?)

  1. Amelia ze lurker says:

    I just can’t get past the fact that he thinks the expression is about round pegs and square holes. It’s SQUARE pegs and ROUND holes.

  2. Hugo says:

    Not only can we be so much better than that, most of us who walk around with a penis and a Y chromosome or two are better than that. Arousal really, really, really doesn’t naturally trump our humanity. But Scott… Scott’s another case.

  3. matlun says:

    Seriously weird article. His solution: Abolish all sex!

  4. Florence says:

    CUE: It’s just a joke, ladies. What’s your problem?

  5. chava says:

    READING COMPREHENSION: Ur doin it wrong.

    I wonder how he’ll attempt to backflip out of this one. Attempt to satirize…..assholes?

    Also, “turgid peg” WTF, bad metaphor. And ew.

  6. Amz says:

    Wait. If a lion and a zebra show up at the same watering hole and the lion kills the zebra, doesn’t that sentence framing IMPLY that the lion is to blame for the zebra’s death?

    Besides being a sloppy metaphor, it actually proves the point he’s trying to excuse.

  7. Jennifer says:

    I read this and thought, “Now I’m gonna wait for the feminist blogs to see this one.”

    So, as far as I can tell, men are natural born dick-posting horndogs, and we shouldn’t be trying to force them into being asexual.

    Um… nooooo… it’s more like, “Don’t do that shit in public when you’re a married politician.” That’s not fitting into the wrong hole, that’s more like pissing all over it.

    Honestly, sometimes I wonder if everything in a man’s brain revolves around, “LOOK I HAVE A PENIS AND IT WORKS!!!!1111!!!” or something.

  8. I really hate when selfish, entitled cis het men claim that all cis het men are as selfish and entitled as they are. We’re not automatons driven by hormones, and we’re not automatons driven by evolution, anymore than we’re automatons driven by greed. Because we’re not automatons. We’re people.

  9. Joanna says:

    So if the zebras lurk around the watering hole and drag the lions into the bushes and cut off their dicks with a chainsaw, no problem, right? because if you’re going to anthropomorphize animals, let’s go all the way. I say, zebras unite, cut off their dicks.

  10. Li says:

    The comments are predictably awful. Western women ruin everything! Europe is collapsing because western women! Nature! Evolution! The Internet is for Porn! Western women!

    Seriously though, I’m just glad the internet has provided Scott Adams with an outlet for his natural instinct to be a fucking misogynistic douchebag. It seems there’s an appropriately sized e-hole for everyone.

  11. Bagelsan says:

    “Turgid” babies.

    …Aaaand I will never feel clean again. Is reading this gonna get me on an FBI list somewhere? o.O

  12. Kristen J. says:

    Ummm….wow…evil much?

  13. Olivia says:

    So: women (or zebras) organized society “in such a way” that men are inherently driven to criminal acts — and then the women stepped aside and gave control of most governments, judicial systems, political systems, and social systems over to men?

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    And chava: it’s not merely a turgid peg, it’s a turgid peg on a baby. Even those of us who write smut for a living know better than that. It’s just a poor use of the writer’s craft.

  14. Azkyroth says:

    Honestly, sometimes I wonder if everything in a man’s brain revolves around, “LOOK I HAVE A PENIS AND IT WORKS!!!!1111!!!” or something.

    Because of course face-value conclusions drawn from a non-random sample of one are applicable to a population of a couple billion individuals.

  15. I’ve been teasing my husband lately about how since he is a dude, he must have sent pictures of his junk to countless women.

  16. Shac says:

    Joanna: So if the zebras lurk around the watering hole and drag the lions into the bushes and cut off their dicks with a chainsaw, no problem, right? because if you’re going to anthropomorphize animals, let’s go all the way. I say, zebras unite, cut off their dicks.

    Usually it is the female lionesses that do the hunting…so what does this say about us? I’m really confused!

  17. Matt says:

    Sara Anderson:
    I’ve been teasing my husband lately about how since he is a dude, he must have sent pictures of his junk to countless women.

    what if he has?
    :O

  18. Jadey says:

    Man, penises come off so badly with this guy! The epitome of all things violent and angry, much?

    If I had a penis (and I have considered this), I would draw little happy faces on it and give it tiny felted hats to wear and I would totally take pictures of it but I would only give them to people who would genuinely appreciate the awesomeness that is a penis wearing a tiny felted hat. Any part of my body that remotely resembles a puppet must only be a source of joy.

  19. Tom Head says:

    Was Scott Adams always this stupid and hateful, or did he just become more like the Pointy-Haired Boss in his old age?

  20. cat says:

    You know, if I actually believed this nonsense about cis men as violent out of control rapists by “nature” (whatever the fuck that means), my conclusion would not be to let them do these things in society, it would be the most extreme rad fem seperatism conceivable. Really, if cis men’s biology is the problem, the only long term solutions would be to remove them from society or to try to find a medical “cure” for them.

    Fortunately, I don’t believe that. I happen to think cis men are perfectly ordinary human beings, with perfectly ordinary levels of ability to be responsible and control themselves.

  21. Athenia says:

    “safer watering hole”????

    Is there such a thing????

  22. Sara A. says:

    I have instincts, too. When presented with stupidity of this magnitude, my natural instinct is to stomp its head into the dirt until it stops twitching. Yet an unjust society and its repressive law fails to recognize the primal beauty of my inborn urges. I am a proud lioness, born wild and free, who wants only to bite the patriarchal zebra in the neck and drag its mangled carcass back to the den to feed my cubs. MY BEAUTIFUL PREDATOR INSTINCT REMAINS UNFULFILLED. SOCIETY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY WOE.

  23. Scott Adams actually provides the answer in his opening paragraph.

    If you have a round peg that doesn’t fit in a square hole, do you blame the peg or the hole? You probably blame neither. We don’t assign blame to inanimate objects. But you might have some questions about the person who provided you with these mismatched items and set you up to fail.

    When you have a hole and a peg, usually the peg has been shaped by someone just as much as the hole has been. Someone took the raw material and whittled it into a form, starting from a shapeless block. Someone took some tools (a drill, a spade, or whatever, depending on what sort of hole we’re talking about) and shaped the hole out of what was once a flat surface.

    Scott Adams says that society has been shaped into a square hole. The logical next question is, “Who shaped the round page?”

    In Mr Adams’ analogy, that amounts to, “Who teaches little boys to grow up into raping, dick-pic-sending, cheating misogynists?” After all, if it’s fair to ask why someone set you up to fail by giving you mismatching tools, then it is at least as valid to ask why they made the peg the wrong shape.

  24. Jamie says:

    Wow.

    My reaction, sadly, wasn’t too shocked. My husband, however, is having a freakout, and I can’t blame him.

  25. Nahida says:

    The stupid it burns.

  26. Xenu01 says:

    It’s true! Women’s natural instincts to have sex and be happy and healthy are totally supported in USian society, which is why lesbians can legally marry one another, Planned Parenthood takes priority over defense spending, birth control is free, safe and doesn’t make anyone nauseous, women who are trans are supported and not specifically targeted by crime, all women are free to dress however they want without fear of retaliation or violence, and domestic violence and rape claims are always taken deadly seriously, with no one siding with the rapist/abuser! So good to be a person of the lady persuasion!

  27. Xenu01 says:

    Oh, and Shirley Chisholm was not only the first black president, but the first woman president as well! Now men barely have a chance to even vie for the nomination- it’s all women all the time! Poor men.

  28. tinfoil hattie says:

    Wow, he’s stupid. I never knew. “Round peg in a square hole”? Is that supposed to be funny, because y’know, penii are “round”-ish, sorta? So vaginas are … square? Or they don’t matter to the analogy?

    Yeesh.

  29. Nil says:

    I really don’t think this analysis, thoughtful though it is, was worth the time and effort. Let’s start talking about relevant things again?

  30. somali rose says:

    Hm. So why is it that men are so desperate to be their “natural” selves when it comes to rape, and want to do away with the over civilized ways of not….raping people? Perhaps because they want whAtever they want when they want it. My question: why aren’t they fighting against the un natural couches and doritos they jam in their faces while watching other men run around? How about those over civilized office chairs? Wrinkle free pants? My opinion to fix this “women controlled society”? Men, go to a fucking desert and have your party with the lions. Good fucking radiance ya lying pieces of shit! Byyyyye!

  31. thecarriep says:

    You have made my evening with this comment. Add a monocle and it’s “Mister. Penis!”

    Jadey:
    Man, penises come off so badly with this guy! The epitome of all things violent and angry, much?

    If I had a penis (and I have considered this), I would draw little happy faces on it and give it tiny felted hats to wear and I would totally take pictures of it but I would only give them to people who would genuinely appreciate the awesomeness that is a penis wearing a tiny felted hat. Any part of my body that remotely resembles a puppet must only be a source of joy.

  32. Kristen J. says:

    Jadey:
    Man, penises come off so badly with this guy! The epitome of all things violent and angry, much?

    If I had a penis (and I have considered this), I would draw little happy faces on it and give it tiny felted hats to wear and I would totally take pictures of it but I would only give them to people who would genuinely appreciate the awesomeness that is a penis wearing a tiny felted hat. Any part of my body that remotely resembles a puppet must only be a source of joy.

    I’ve often thought penises would look adorable in a fedora. But adorableness may not be what dixpix sharers are going for.

  33. areyouserious says:

    really bad… rape definitely isn’t instinct but wanting to kill somebody for breaking a loved one is.

    if anything i should feel sorry for him he probably has no family so he couldn’t imagine how he’d feel if someone in his family was unfortunate to experience some as awful as what he’s suggesting is natural… i dont think so

  34. Tony says:

    There are certainly discussions to be had, which seem to be popping up in bits and pieces here and there in the wake of the Weiner affair, about male sexual desire and how it can be shamed, and about older womens’ sexuality and its invisibility. Exploring the underexplored netherregions of human sexual desire is a good thing. Adams’s embarrassing blog post doesn’t really add much to the discussion. On the plus side, it seems like even his own readers don’t agree with him.

  35. Tori says:

    Powerful men have been behaving badly, e.g. tweeting, raping, cheating…

    I barfed a little when I noticed liked how he equated social media communication, relationship infidelity, and felony violations via parallel sentence structure.

    I swear to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and all that is alcoholic, I do not have the spoons or karma to say what I really think.

  36. Carolyn says:

    @ Sara A., you win the internet. @ Jamie, I am very sorry about your poor husband. I hope he feels better soon, Scott Adams isn’t worth it.

    This is a class A example of how patriarchy hurts men by (George Bush’s maybe only good turn of phrase, whatever ends it might have been used for) the soft bigotry of low expectations. I know men can refrain from sending dick pics, and I’m living in a queer lady bubble. Why doesn’t Scott Adams?

  37. Saurs says:

    Even shorter Scott Adams: man-made society now bad for men; must adjust for rape and such.

  38. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how often misogynist and misandrist ideas go hand in hand. Hanging out with feminists makes me feel optimistic about men. Hanging out with anti-feminists, like PUAs, makes me feel pessimistic about men.

  39. Dominique says:

    Lions and zebras aside, I thinks Mr. Adams is tryings to get himself noticeds in the manly-man blogosphere. (Where he won’t get any dates, of course, except paying ones… but who’s to quibble how one gets one’s tumbles).

  40. Hugo says:

    Clarisse Thorn:
    I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how often misogynist and misandrist ideas go hand in hand.Hanging out with feminists makes me feel optimistic about men.Hanging out with anti-feminists, like PUAs, makes me feel pessimistic about men.

    Absolutely. That’s the great absurdity of the MRAs calling feminists “man-haters”. Nothing is more hateful than to deny me the capacity to reconcile lust and empathy.

  41. rayuela23 says:

    Thomas MacAulay Millar:
    I really hate when selfish, entitled cis het men claim that all cis het men are as selfish and entitled as they are.We’re not automatons driven by hormones, and we’re not automatons driven by evolution, anymore than we’re automatons driven by greed.Because we’re not automatons.We’re people.

    People??? Surely not Thomas!! Haven’t you heard the news? You’re all just organic perambulating devices built to enable to help your junk get about town/ get tweeted to strangers! Don’t start getting all sentient and shit on us here.

  42. Serafina says:

    Poor Scott Adams. If only men were in charge, and could influence society to fit their needs and not those of women. Oh, wait …

  43. Mireille says:

    And anti-feminists say that feminists hate men… Because we think they are capable of living peacefully with women and control their worst urges. I guess it’s more respectful to men to think and expect the worst of men.

  44. Soren says:

    @ #7 Jeniffer:

    “Honestly, sometimes I wonder if everything in a man’s brain revolves around, “LOOK I HAVE A PENIS AND IT WORKS!!!!1111!!!” or something.”

    Well I have a 4 year old son, and that is exactly how he works. We have to tell him that he must not play with his penis in the livingroom, only in his own room or the bath room, and that we generally expect him to wear pants, at least underwear. We sometimes let it slip when he does the Al Bundy when watching tv, but we refuse to smell his hands after he had fondled his penis, all though he thinks its the best.

    Seriously I do not understand the low opinion of men exhibited in SA’s post. I know he will say it was only a gag, and everyone is stupid to take him serious, but still – men don’t rape, some men rapes. There is a difference

  45. Romantech says:

    Jadey:
    Man, penises come off so badly with this guy! The epitome of all things violent and angry, much?

    If I had a penis (and I have considered this), I would draw little happy faces on it and give it tiny felted hats to wear and I would totally take pictures of it but I would only give them to people who would genuinely appreciate the awesomeness that is a penis wearing a tiny felted hat. Any part of my body that remotely resembles a puppet must only be a source of joy.

    I follow PUA sites so I know the dick pic is all about showing you have an aloof, DGAF attitude. This sounds like a lot more fun though, tbh.

    I mean what says “how you doin’?” like my dick as The Fonz, Macgyver, Harrison Ford – screen greats such as Brando, Bogart, Gable, Dean . . . possibilities are endless. I like it, it says “Hey, I’m fun and approachable! Let’s party!”

  46. Sarah says:

    It seems Mr Adams doth project too much. I won’t generalise what he’s saying to all men. I will simply note that in the unlikely event I meet Mr Adams, I should NEVER be alone in a room with him.

    Also, the books of his cartoons I have – they’re going to the charity shop today.

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  48. ellid says:

    I wonder if he’s aware that the laws he decries were largely written and developed by men?

  49. Kaija says:

    In an attempt to not get seriously depressed and despairing about humans as a species with too much of this kind of news and commentary, I’m trying to look for the positive and one takeaway here might be that we women should actively work towards being proud of our genitals and appreciating the awesomeness of their existence! Let’s all celebrate that we have what Monty Python’s Flying Circus referred to as “the naughty bits” (ala snarky *wink wink nudge nudge-would you like to go upstairs* naughty and not the shaming kind). :)

  50. L says:

    Cue SA running over here to lecture us about reading comprehension in 3, 2, 1….

  51. Maybe he said it that way for a reason. Maybe square and round are interchangeable. Remember the show Square Pegs from the 80’s? Was about two women in high school, that didn’t fit in.

    I just think you’re laying too many assumptions on a satirical piece that was meant to make all of us think.

    Amelia ze lurker: this post

  52. LC says:

    I have decided to look for silver linings today and so say this post has brought us the image of a penis in a fedora, a penis wearing a monocle, and Sara A’s fantastic comment @22

  53. LC says:

    Oh, and Clarisse? So with you. I feel more optimistic and proud to be cis-male among feminists than I do among PUA-types.

  54. kellye says:

    >>To be fair, if a man meets and marries the right woman, and she fulfills his needs, he might have no desire to tweet his meat to strangers. <<

    1. "To be fair?"
    2. But let's not blame the victim.

    Thank you for bringing my attention to this. I had no idea Scott Adams was like this–no more Dilbert for this round hole.

  55. evil fizz says:

    Guys, I hate to break it to you, but apparently, this is meant to be satire and we’re just not smart enough for Scott Adams once again.

    Sniff.

  56. kim says:

    This is such a pathetic call for attention. The examples and analogies are so simplistic and narrow-minded. I would actually be interested in hearing the male perspective at times, but you have to give me something to work with- and if this an example of the typical rhetoric produced, I really wonder why I would even bother.

  57. Emolee says:

    I couldn’t get past this: “tweeting, raping, cheating” NO. Raping does not go in a list between tweeting and cheating.

    Also, this, which made me laugh (at him): “society is organized in such a way that the natural instincts of men are shameful and criminal while the natural instincts of women are mostly legal and acceptable”- what world is he living in? I mean, granted, he is making essentialist assumptions about women’s “instincts.” But, I guess he never considered that women are shamed ALL THE TIME for sexual behavior.

  58. Kristen J. says:

    evil fizz:
    Guys, I hate to break it to you, but apparently, this is meant to be satire and we’re just not smart enough for Scott Adams once again.

    Sniff.

    Ahhh…so he’s not a misogynist and a misandrist he’s simply a very poor comedian.

  59. Michele says:

    “Powerful men have been behaving badly, e.g. tweeting, raping, cheating, and being offensive to just about everyone in the entire world.”

    rape = behaving badly? As if raping is comparable to my kid drawing on the walls? Fuck you Scott Adams, you are an asshole!

  60. Randomosity says:

    And nowhere does he mention sentience. Humans can think, remember, make decisions based on logic. Is he saying he’s not sentient or would like to regress to presentience so he can leave civilization and its rules behind?

    I think he’s trying to see how offensive he can be to as many people as possible.

    Dear Scott: If the world really was as uncivilized as you’d like it to be, you would not be the alpha. Just sayin’.

  61. matlun says:

    What I find most annoying about this type of argument about what is “natural behavior” is that the moral perspective is totally forgotten.

    This is so depressingly common in discussions referring evo psych and social darwinism. It is so very basic to realize that evolution is a descriptive theory about reality. It is not a moral theory.

    These arguments so often devolve into “might is right” plus some hand waving trying to make this an acceptable position.

  62. LC says:

    Matlun, I remember once discussing the Schrodinger’s Rapist post from Shapley Prose and having someone carefully explain to me that in fact no one has any rights other than the ones they can enforce or society will enforce for them.

  63. Unfortunately, Scott didn’t detect Jill’s ironic intent a few months ago when she said that he should “definitely keep talking.”
    In my experience, “men are pigs” statements are often made by other men, and I think it’s because men who really *are* pigs have a desire to put other men down.

  64. matlun says:

    @LC: That sounds rather extreme. The most common one is probably “homosexuality is unnatural and therefore wrong”. While you can point out that it is actually natural (in the sense it appears in the wild), even that is conceding ground to this wrong headed argument. The more basic counter argument is “Even if it was ‘unnatural’, that would be utterly irrelevant to the discussion about whether it is ‘wrong'”.

    (Perhaps I am derailing this thread now, but it was kind of a train wreck already ;) )

  65. LC says:

    That sounds rather extreme.

    Yes, yes it was.

    As for the rest of the derail, I am always fond of trying to explain “norm”, “normal”, and “normative” to people, but it rarely goes well. *grin*

  66. Alternate shorter Scott Adams: I want to do what I want to whoever I want whenever I want without consequences!

    Scott needs to learn to speak only for himself, and that his statements reveal more about himself than men, humans, or any other general subjects he prattles on about. He’s a troll, a poor one at that, and like most other trolls needs to grow up instead of deflecting the very responses he’s attempting to elicit by claiming he’s “joking”, in the same way Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter claim to be “joking” after making divisive, inflammatory statements and subsequently trying to make their critics the subject of debate instead of their own crap. Own your shit or GTFO.

  67. blondie says:

    Poor, poor men. They have controlled the overwhelming majority of the world’s societies for almost all of recorded time, but somehow women got the upper hand in organizing society so that “the natural instincts of men are shameful and criminal while the natural instincts of women are mostly legal and acceptable.” Women must be darn crafty.

  68. Rosemary says:

    You guys know the saying. It’s a woman’s world.

    Wait…

  69. Rare Vos says:

    Which makes Scott Adams a super-radical man-hating feminist, maybe? Welcome to the dark side, pal.

    *spit take* please accept this handknit internet I made for you.

  70. Manboobz says:

    Prolonged exposure to Scott Adams’ thinking processes — at least when he thinking about the whole man-woman thing — always makes me feel a bit icky. I just did my own post on this, so I’m feeling extra icky right now.

    And I didn’t even mention the whole lion-zebra thing.

  71. Tori says:

    evil fizz:
    Guys, I hate to break it to you, but apparently, this is meant to be satire and we’re just not smart enough for Scott Adams once again.

    Sniff.

    You know, if all that happens with my life is that I discover I’m not as brilliant as Scott Adams, I will chalk that up as a point in my favor.

  72. CrystalShadow says:

    Ah… Wow. That’s… messed up would be putting it mildly.

    It’s also the weirdest coincedence that I end up here immediately after having watched the entirety of the Dilbert cartoon series from 10 years ago…

    Considering the kind of humour that contains, and that just about everyone in the series is pretty much horrible in one way or another, I guess this ‘opinion’ shouldn’t come as much of a surprise.

    Some of the comments here are interesting for another, more personal reason (specifically mentions of anti-feminist movements), because I’ve been making a lot of trouble for myself recently doing more or less just that.
    Though, to be clear, these were radical feminist blogs with what I can only interpret as incredibly bigoted views about transsexuals…

    And, as has been jokingly alluded to, Radical Feminist blogs at times genuinely express opinions very much like Mr Scott Adams here…

    Of course, scott’s reputation and the nature of his humour makes you wonder why he wrote this, and just how seriously he takes it.
    (Radical feminist blogs on the other hand…)

    Anyway, best not get too caught up in the eerie similarities. I’m more than angry enough as it is, and I fear I’ll get lost in something that is really an issue that’s unrelated to this article.

  73. tinfoil hattie says:

    if a man meets and marries the right woman, and she fulfills his needs, he might have no desire to tweet his meat to strangers.

    Uh-huh. Her fault if she doesn’t “fulfill his needs,” eh? He’ll have no choice but to send dick pics.

  74. Azalea says:

    Satire aside, I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that sharing a picture of yourself that your spouse doesn’t want you to share is equal to cheating and that cheating is equal to forcing someone to have sex with you. That logic makes my brain vomit.

  75. bekabot says:

    “I just can’t get past the fact that he thinks the expression is about round pegs and square holes. It’s SQUARE pegs and ROUND holes.”

    This is an attempted joke on Mr. Adams’ part; it’s a pretty lame joke, but it’s not like we don’t know to expect that. You see, because women (in his universe) are naturally passionless and dull and law-abiding, it’s natural for him to call them “square” (told ya this was lame). Men, on the contrary, are “round” (in other words, men are three-dimensional complete people). And of course the hole-versus-peg dichotomy isn’t hard to figure out. So that women in the Adams universe end up cast as square holes whose opposite numbers are not only pegs but turgid pegs–yep, turgid, well-rounded pegs which (who?) can’t possibly be expected to fit in with, let alone fit into, such square holes. (Once again, told ya this was lame. All the same I’ve got this personal vision of Mr. Adams crowing quietly and patting himself on the back and telling himself that it takes a real man to construct an extended implied metaphor: women so rarely being capable of comparable feats.)

    Oh yeah: and the lion-and-zebra just-so story? That was cribbed from William Blake: “One law for the lion and the ox is oppression”. All Mr. Adams did was to substitute a zebra for an ox while calling on the ghost of Kipling. (Successfully or not; can’t say.) This is why it doesn’t matter to Mr. Adams that it’s the lionesses, not the lions, who are the hunters. Which sex of lions actually kills zebras has got nothing to do with his idea, you see; if only people could be led to understand the primacy of an idea.

    All this may already have been explained above; I don’t know b/c I haven’t read the whole thread. [deep, shamed blush]

  76. Sheelzebub says:

    GODDAMN. I need to pop some more corn.

    Mr. Adams, you never disappoint me in providing epic fails for our entertainment.

  77. Susannah says:

    Yikes! The Scott Adams defenders have shown up in the comments at http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/16/dilbert-scott-adams-on-rape/#aol-comments
    Shorter Adams defender: the EIC, Laura is an emotional, irrational woman, lacking basic reading comprehension and deserves to be sued….cuz you know… Logic.

  78. Carol Kerns says:

    I’m stunned at the vicious spin being placed on this quote. Please, folks, read it more closely! I think what he’s trying (clumsily) to say is that Nature is one thing and Civilization is another, and the natural, baser inclinations inherent in males are not acceptable in civilized society, which puts added pressu…re on men. That’s undeniably true — and it does NOT suggest that we ought to embrace those “inclinations.” It just means that civilized behavior is a little harder for men than it is for women. How is that offensive?

  79. evil fizz says:

    It just means that civilized behavior is a little harder for men than it is for women. How is that offensive?

    You’re new around here, aren’t you?

  80. Li says:

    Carol Kerns: I’m stunned at the vicious spin being placed on this quote. Please, folks, read it more closely! I think what he’s trying (clumsily) to say is that Nature is one thing and Civilization is another, and the natural, baser inclinations inherent in males are not acceptable in civilized society, which puts added pressu…re on men. That’s undeniably true — and it does NOT suggest that we ought to embrace those “inclinations.” It just means that civilized behavior is a little harder for men than it is for women. How is that offensive?

    Well, among other things, Scott Adams is claiming that my “natural” instincts are to be a rapist. Yeah, that kinda offends me.

    Secondly, *deep breath* nature and civilisation are the same. thing. Humans are “naturally” social, it is “natural” that we should engage in social organisation, civilisation is “natural” behaviour for human beings. So, like, any claim to know what is “natural” for human beings as distinct from the social offends me as a student of sociology. If there is any dichotomy to be had here, it is between innate and learned behaviour, but again, the claim that I am innately a rapist is kinda offensive.

  81. DouglasG says:

    Sara Anderson:
    I’ve been teasing my husband lately about how since he is a dude, he must have sent pictures of his junk to countless women.

    Sorry for the derail, but I’ve been seeing the J-word popping up at all sorts of sites lately, used by all sorts of -ists and in a variety of contexts. Now in a thread like this it might be particularly apt (I could make an awful pun about Junk Mail, but I won’t), but it’s been bothering me that it’s acceptable common vernacular to liken the privities of one gender to a delectable treat and those of another to worthless trash. It doesn’t seem helpful in the long run. As far as I recall, the one person who semi-dated both my sister and myself (fortunately with a five-year gap in between) didn’t seem to hold such a bias in favour of either of us.

  82. David says:

    Carol Kerns:
    I’m stunned at the vicious spin being placed on this quote.Please, folks, read it more closely!I think what he’s trying (clumsily) to say is that Nature is one thing and Civilization is another, and the natural, baser inclinations inherent in males are not acceptable in civilized society, which puts added pressu…re on men. That’s undeniably true — and it does NOT suggest that we ought to embrace those “inclinations.” It just means that civilized behavior is a little harder for men than it is for women. How is that offensive?

    It’s offensive because it’s sexist garbage, whether or not it comes from a man or a woman.

    Now I would understand if Scott Adams was trying to make some obtuse point – a la Amanda Marcotte, that we are assigning a very gendered expectation of “predatory behavior” if it is a man sending the near-naked pictures, but as far as I can tell, that wasn’t what Scott Adams was trying to say. Not only that, but Adams was lumping rape, cheating and picture-tweeting together in the same category. Some of these things aren’t like the others.

  83. David says:

    DouglasG: Sorry for the derail, but I’ve been seeing the J-word popping up at all sorts of sites lately, used by all sorts of -ists and in a variety of contexts.Now in a thread like this it might be particularly apt (I could make an awful pun about Junk Mail, but I won’t), but it’s been bothering me that it’s acceptable common vernacular to liken the privities of one gender to a delectable treat and those of another to worthless trash.It doesn’t seem helpful in the long run.As far as I recall, the one person who semi-dated both my sister and myself (fortunately with a five-year gap in between) didn’t seem to hold such a bias in favour of either of us.

    Yeah, junk is kind of insulting.

  84. evil fizz says:

    it’s acceptable common vernacular to liken the privities of one gender to a delectable treat and those of another to worthless trash.

    Junk might not be optimal, but rest assured, women’s genitals are NOT usually referred to as a delectable treat. (I can’t even think what that euphemism might be. Did cupcake replace vajajay in Cosmo-speak while I wasn’t looking?)

  85. Li says:

    I’ve totes heard/used junk to refer to non-penis gennies. Among other things, I like the term because it’s much less gendered than other words, and thus really useful in a queer and gender diverse context. Though I do have friends that get grossed out when I refer to my junk as “steaming”…

  86. FashionablyEvil says:

    Ann Friedman created an excellent Pocket Guide to Vaginal Euphemisms. I think my favorite categories are “Your vagina is a strange animal” and “Your vagina is a mode of transportation.”

    (Other categories include: gross, scary, food, geographical location, a Victorian lady, just a place to put a penis, and awesome.)

    Also, if junk as a euphemism is insulting, does that mean we’re also giving up the phrase “junk in the trunk”?

  87. Jadey says:

    re: the junk thing

    Thomas wrote a post called My Genitals Are Not Junk, And Neither Are Yours at Yes Means Yes a little while ago. Responses were mixed, but if people are looking for more debate on the subject, there you go (unfortunately, I don’t know where the tumblr post on the subject is – Google fails me). I was under the impression that junk was used for genitalia of all sexes. I certainly wouldn’t use it in reference to anyone I hadn’t heard use it in reference to themselves, but I’m not opposed to it in principle – I think for some, it has been reclaimed/claimed like “queer” (which is also a word I wouldn’t use for someone I hadn’t heard use for themselves, although I quite happily use it for myself).

  88. preying mantis says:

    Li:
    I’ve totes heard/used junk to refer to non-penis gennies. Among other things, I like the term because it’s much less gendered than other words, and thus really useful in a queer and gender diverse context.

    Yeah. Junk is one of the few slang terms for genitals that I’ve seen which can and is easily used for “genitals” rather than specific bits of anatomy or specifically gendered bits of anatomy.

    As for the vagina being referred to as a delectable treat, the only group I’ve seen consistently refer to vaginas as “pie” are fratbros who are definitely not using it as a compliment much in the same way that people who use the term “junk” are not really mentally drawing a line between male genitals and trash.

  89. DouglasG says:

    So the C-word (rhyming with dandy, and carrying a positive connotation) isn’t almost as common as the J-word? I’ve never used either, but I’ve heard both quite frequently. Interesting. I’m not given to euphemisms as a whole, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard or seen the P-word used in such a reference.

    I have heard the trunk rhyme, and would be delighted to see that one retired. Not a word well applied to any human anatomy, although, for those given to euphemisms, it has the advantage of brevity.

  90. QLH says:

    DouglasG:
    So the C-word (rhyming with dandy, and carrying a positive connotation) isn’t almost as common as the J-word?

    I’ve never heard it in my entire life, so I’m guessing: no.

  91. astronautgo says:

    evil fizz: (I can’t even think what that euphemism might be. Did cupcake replace vajajay in Cosmo-speak while I wasn’t looking?)

    That, or DouglasG is really ALF. (On preview, I see that he apparently meant “candy?” I’m unfamiliar with that euphemism.)

    I’m also loving Adams’ idea that men are born (turgid? Ew.) into a world they never made, doomed to be frustrated outsiders because society stifles their natural urges to send dick-pics to zebras or whatever. I mean, I’ve read enough of the internet to know that people some people really are perspectivally-challenged enough to believe this, but it still boggles my mind whenever I come across it.

  92. groggette says:

    astronautgo: I’m also loving Adams’ idea that men are born (turgid? Ew.) into a world they never made, doomed to be frustrated outsiders because society stifles their natural urges to send dick-pics to zebras or whatever.

    Ha, honestly if all the people inclined to rape or otherwise sexually harass others just sent dick/vulva pics to zebras instead, I wouldn’t complain.

  93. David says:

    QLH: I’ve never heard it in my entire life, so I’m guessing: no.

    Hell, I thought you were talking about cookie, not candy. Never heard of the latter.

  94. DouglasG says:

    It must be a sign of old age. I spend so much time in the company of octogenarians that I haven’t quite kept up with the times.

  95. Opheelia says:

    I read the whole post; I went there with the intention of reading it as satire. It doesn’t work.

    The reason that it doesn’t work as satire, IMO, is because he’s simply restating social norms. There’s nothing witty about reinforcing the douche factor present in society’s definition of masculinity. I think he tries to get to satire at the end, but when the post is taken in totality it just… fails. He has, probably unintentionally, recreated the most generic of posts on an MRA website. (You know, those groups he was supposedly mocking in the last fiasco.)

    He could take a lesson or 9 from Terry Pratchett. Hell, the short lived soap opera “Passions” did satire better than him.

  96. preying mantis says:

    QLH: I’ve never heard it in my entire life, so I’m guessing: no.

    If he really does mean candy, yeah. Not even once. I don’t even remember seeing it on the “Your vagina as a _____” chart, which had some really obscure stuff that nobody really uses outside of listing euphemisms for vagina.

  97. Politicalguineapig says:

    cat: You know, if I actually believed this nonsense about cis men as violent out of control rapists by “nature” (whatever the fuck that means), my conclusion would not be to let them do these things in society, it would be the most extreme rad fem seperatism conceivable. Really, if cis men’s biology is the problem, the only long term solutions would be to remove them from society or to try to find a medical “cure” for them.Fortunately, I don’t believe that. I happen to think cis men are perfectly ordinary human beings, with perfectly ordinary levels of ability to be responsible and control themselves.

    I find myself kind of buying into this mentality. I’m out and about on my own a lot, usually on buses, so I just find it safer not to talk to any man- or even smile at them. And I wear stuff I can run in, so skirts, dresses, and anything pink tend to be off the menu.
    I’m even wary of hugging my own relatives.My brother is in a very high risk category (young male athlete) so I don’t wear anything low-cut around him and keep my distance.
    The fact that there are a lot of dudes on the internet that buy into Scott Adam’s bullshit and behave like big swinging dicks only increases my paranoia.
    And yes, I know it’s paranoia, but hey, it’s worked so far.

  98. David says:

    Politicalguineapig: I find myself kind of buying into this mentality. I’m out and about on my own a lot, usually on buses, so I just find it safer not to talk to any man- or even smile at them. And I wear stuff I can run in, so skirts, dresses, and anything pink tend to be off the menu.I’m even wary of hugging my own relatives.My brother is in a very high risk category (young male athlete) so I don’t wear anything low-cut around him and keep my distance.The fact that there are a lot of dudes on the internet that buy into Scott Adam’s bullshit and behave like big swinging dicks only increases my paranoia.
    And yes, I know it’s paranoia, but hey, it’s worked so far.

    You know PG, I’m very sorry that you feel that way about men.

    That being said, if your brother hasn’t done anything else to warrant your suspicions other than being a young male athlete, I feel pretty terrible for him. I hope the rest of your family treats him better.

  99. Politicalguineapig says:

    David: I should clear that up- I don’t like to hug, much, and he usually makes only flying visits home now. So, while I do take a few precautions around him, I don’t treat him any differently from my dad or any male visitor to the house. I just make sure to take fast showers, and avoid wearing low-cut shirts, shorts with holes, and skirts. Or being seen in my pajamas- that’s risky as well.
    (Not hard to do, as I’d spend every day in capri shorts and t-shirts if I had my druthers. I do like cute skirts, but I like walking, running and biking more.)

  100. David says:

    Oh, I thought by “keeping distance”, you meant rarely talking to him. If not I suppose it’s none of my business.

  101. Cindy says:

    astronautgo: send dick-pics to zebras

    Thank you. That was the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. (It was a rough day.)

  102. Rare Vos says:

    If not I suppose it’s none of my business.

    Nah, its very important to get that female-shaming in. Can’t let a single comment pass without letting the female know she’s DOING IT WRONG.

  103. will says:

    I don’t think it’s a case of wanting to shame PG but rather a simple question regarding her fear of her own brother. It seems a little weird to go to such lengths to avoid her brother, unless of course he has given her reason to do so, which in that case is no one’s business.

  104. Politicalguineapig says:

    Will: He hasn’t, but there are two factors coming into play here: 1. I’m not a tactile person. I hate being touched.
    2. As I said earlier, I just treat him the same as any male visitor to the house, and try to make sure I’m dressed in non-descript clothing- no low-cut stuff, no skirts, no dresses and no pajama pants. (I don’t usually wear that stuff at home either, but I pay a little more attention to my clothes when there more men in the house than usual. Can’t look like I’m fluffy or like I’m a slob.)
    So far, he hasn’t been assimilated by the male Borg collective that is college athletics and the fraternity circuit, so he’s fairly trustworthy. But if I weaken around him or his friends, I might slip up around someone who’s far less trustworthy. Discipline must be maintained, you know.

  105. Tom Foolery says:

    I find myself kind of buying into this mentality. I’m out and about on my own a lot, usually on buses, so I just find it safer not to talk to any man- or even smile at them. And I wear stuff I can run in, so skirts, dresses, and anything pink tend to be off the menu.I’m even wary of hugging my own relatives.My brother is in a very high risk category (young male athlete) so I don’t wear anything low-cut around him and keep my distance.The fact that there are a lot of dudes on the internet that buy into Scott Adam’s bullshit and behave like big swinging dicks only increases my paranoia.
    And yes, I know it’s paranoia, but hey, it’s worked so far.

    Oh thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you’re back! Feministe was so terribly dull without your hilarious Feminist satire performance art. I’d love to hear more about how you agree with Scott Adams that the only way to prevent men from raping is to chemically castrate all of them!

  106. will says:

    Ah, I understand. I too used to hate being touched. I don’t you should be too distant to your brother though. Most likely he cares about you (bear in mind I don’t know either of you or your history). Perhaps you can reach him before he becomes assimilated to the frat culture and perhaps prevent one more fratboy being set loose on the world.

    I also understand your desire to be weary towards men but please don’t assume the worst in all men. I don’t say this out of any sort of offense to my own male ego, as is some times the case but rather the thought that you maybe shortchanging yourself. Being afraid or paranoid is a tough way to go through life. Although being so will possibly make one safer, it does not guarantee it. More so I think it ends up cheating oneself out of life a bit. Most people are good.

    I hope that this doesn’t come across as being me telling you what to do or think or feel. That’s not my intent. Anyway, take care and I wish you the best in life.

    Cheers,
    will

  107. Anna says:

    Li:
    I’ve totes heard/used junk to refer to non-penis gennies. Among other things, I like the term because it’s much less gendered than other words, and thus really useful in a queer and gender diverse context. Though I do have friends that get grossed out when I refer to my junk as “steaming”…

    My fave is what my mom calls privates in general: “Apparatus.”

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  109. Politicalguineapig says:

    Tom Foolery: I’m not surprised to hear you defending Scott Adams. Perhaps he’s your brother.
    Will: Li’l bro seems to have escaped the fratbrat life so far. He’s too busy working on being the salesman of the decade, as far as I can tell.
    As far as being wary of men: when I’m in a crowd, at home, or with my own friends I can afford not to assume the worst. On public transit or on a walk home, not assuming the worst would just be stupid. I don’t make eye contact or stop to talk, and I terminate the encounter as quickly and politely as I can. (I’m only a bitch on the internet.)

  110. Tom Foolery says:

    Politicalguineapig:
    Tom Foolery: I’m not surprised to hear you defending Scott Adams. Perhaps he’s your brother.

    I have to say, this is really not up to snuff, compared to the high, nay, exacting standards of your usual ridiculous nonsense. What do I have to defend Scott Adams about? I’m not the one who believes that men are driven uncontrollably to rape, and must be stopped by society from doing so by forced incarceration. You and he seem to have a lot in common, maybe he’s YOUR brother. If that’s the case, your precautions seem totally justified.

  111. machina says:

    Politicalguineapig, I kind of get where you’re coming from. Scott Adams may think he’s just being funny but he clearly speaks some truth of men. I don’t think I could ever fully grasp a woman’s perspective, but having read posts such as yours, and others on this topic, I’m aware of the uneven and incredibly damaging effect that the male sexuality has on women. I’m at a loss with regard to my previous relationships with women. I’ve tried to limit the effect of my own physical presence on women in my family in the past but I have been disturbed by their sexualised hugs. I’ve since made the effort to never to leave the house not encased in a full mech battlesuit. I’ve found this personally liberational. While a sixty four foot tall nickel steel robochassis may seem excessive, or indicative of my privileged position in society, I can honestly say that I have never seen women appear as empowered as through a pair of laser polished borosilicate crown glass lenses. My hope is for other men to look deeply into themselves and join me in suiting up.

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  113. Politicalguineapig says:

    Will: “Most people are good.”
    Uh, no, not in my experience. People are only ‘good’ because it ends up costing them socially and economically if they indulge in bad behavior. For example, take Strauss-Kahn and Polanski: they were rich enough and powerful enough to afford to break the law. Polanski escaped the consequences of his acts for years because he was rich enough to move out of the country, and Strauss-Kahn will likely get off scott-free. Look st South Africa: one reason it’s so crime-ridden is that the men know that the police are totally and utterly powerless.
    Machina and TF: eyeroll. You two have no idea how many precautions women in general take in order to avoid getting raped or attracting male attention.
    Try taking a bus at night on absolute hyper-alert, or being home alone and collecting various weaponry (knives, great big stick) because you heard a noise and think someone broke in.
    Or waiting at a bus stop with your hand on 9-1 and eyeing the car that just pulled into the curb three feet away and hesitating because you can’t tell whether it’s some poor sod having car trouble or someone with nefarious intentions.
    Or having to drag your butt to the nearest Y to shower because the plumbing’s being worked on and two dudes you only sort of know are working in the basement- and the shower’s working, but it’s in the basement.
    Or setting new speed records in getting dressed and showering because you don’t want to flash uncle/brother/dad and have to worry about them starting to think of you as a sex object.
    (It’s late, I’ll expand on this tomorrow.)

  114. Moises says:

    thecarriep: If I had a penis (and I have considered this), I would draw little happy faces on it and give it tiny felted hats to wear and I would totally take pictures of it but I would only give them to people who would genuinely appreciate the awesomeness that is a penis wearing a tiny felted hat. Any part of my body that remotely resembles a puppet must only be a source of joy.

    I have been wanting to do something like that since, like, puberty. Now I know what my new blog will be about! Anyone got any tiny felt hats, fezzes, yarmulkes etc lying around?

  115. Moises says:

    Nil: I really don’t think this analysis, thoughtful though it is, was worth the time and effort. Let’s start talking about relevant things again?

    Derailing For Dummies much?

  116. machina says:

    Politicalguineapig: Sorry, I didn’t see your reply. I understand that women undertake many precautions to avoid being raped. I just think the reasoning, but not the fear, is often absurd.

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