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  1. Sarah
    Sarah October 5, 2011 at 1:18 pm |

    Who are they?

  2. igglanova
    igglanova October 5, 2011 at 1:20 pm |

    Why does that article exist? Why do we care about these nauseating people and their magical heterosexual wedding? Just why after why…

  3. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve October 5, 2011 at 1:24 pm |

    5. They could talk about anything, from Milton to the best lacrosse players in the Ivy League. Growing up with so many boys, Mr. Levy said, “I didn’t know you could develop the kind of connection with a girl where she really understands you.”

    ‘What do you think of Milton?’
    ‘Milton Forbes-Whitely? Oh he’s the best lacrosse goalie in the Ivy League.’

    4. “My parents,” she added, “didn’t raise us to have a sense of entitlement.”

    From the article:
    In 2010, Ms. Pataki began working for her father’s consulting firm, the Pataki-Cahill Group, where she is now a director.

    3. The reception followed at the bride’s large and gracious childhood home in Garrison.

    Why not? After all, they’re entitled.

    2. Ms. Pataki felt much the same way: “I was between two brothers, so Dave’s masculinity didn’t bother me. I was comfortable with silence.”

    This sounds more like a cry for help than anything.

    1. Charlotte d’Orchimont, who has known Ms. Pataki since they were both in the second grade in Garrison, N.Y., said, “Alli is someone others have always been drawn to.” She added that Ms. Pataki “was definitely the most popular girl in our class.”

    As long as she used protection, I have no problems with this.

  4. Feminema
    Feminema October 5, 2011 at 1:34 pm |

    I don’t know whether to feel that this is a hatchet job by a hateful and clever NYT writer, or a pair of aliens from outer space.

  5. Comrade Kevin
    Comrade Kevin October 5, 2011 at 1:36 pm |

    Feminema:
    I don’t know whether to feel that this is a hatchet job by a hateful and clever NYT writer, or a pair of aliens from outer space.

    I’m thinking the former, but it could be the latter.

  6. FashionablyEvil
    FashionablyEvil October 5, 2011 at 1:49 pm |

    “I was definitely in love with him and ready to share that with him,” she said. “I was getting frustrated because I felt like he wasn’t saying it. He could tell something was wrong with me. ‘What’s the matter?’ he asked. ‘I’m upset that you haven’t said “I love you” yet,’ I said. ‘I wanted to wait until Valentine’s Day and surprise you,’ he said.”

    I don’t know whether to feel that this is a hatchet job by a hateful and clever NYT writer, or a pair of aliens from outer space.

    I think the quote above lends support for option #1.

  7. EG
    EG October 5, 2011 at 2:34 pm |

    Every so often I see certain articles, and I think to myself “To the guillotine with you!” or “First up against the wall when the revolution comes.”

    This is one of them.

  8. Clarisse Thorn
    Clarisse Thorn October 5, 2011 at 3:02 pm | *

    This thread made my day.

  9. stonebiscuit
    stonebiscuit October 5, 2011 at 3:08 pm |

    The phrase “between two brothers” gave me a completely different, much more awesome mental image than what I think was intended.

  10. Jean-Pierre Metereau
    Jean-Pierre Metereau October 5, 2011 at 3:08 pm |

    I was wondering who these people were and I read the article. Oog. Wish I hadn’t.

  11. Tara
    Tara October 5, 2011 at 3:24 pm |

    I read this in the Times on Sunday and picked out the exact lines you highlight here as making me in fact vomit a little bit in my mouth.

  12. Tara
    Tara October 5, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    #OccupyVowsSection

  13. stonebiscuit
    stonebiscuit October 5, 2011 at 4:53 pm |

    Incidentally, someone is upset that Allison Pataki is stealing her gig:

  14. stonebiscuit
    stonebiscuit October 5, 2011 at 4:54 pm |

    Fail, biscuit. Mods, feel free to get rid of post 14.

  15. MillieJoan
    MillieJoan October 5, 2011 at 7:58 pm |

    Not long after the midterm exam, Ms. Pataki realized that Mr.

    Levy was a catch, too, and asked him to dance at a party at Toad’s Place, another New Haven bar. Then she kissed him.

    “College has stratified levels of commitment and communication,” he said. “After we kissed, I knew to I.M. her.” They went out casually for the next two weeks. Then he went to her dormitory and asked her to be his girlfriend. “At that time we didn’t have Facebook to update our status, so official was nebulous,” he said.

    . . . I’m not sure what’s worse: That after weeks of partnering in class, he only feels it’s appropriate to “IM her” after she kisses him, or that he apparently thinks all relationships that occurred before Facebook was around were “nebulous.”

  16. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie October 5, 2011 at 9:04 pm |

    Really? Being nasty about someone’s wedding is the feminist issue of the day? Why do you even care?

  17. evil fizz
    evil fizz October 5, 2011 at 9:48 pm |

    Really? Being nasty about someone’s wedding is the feminist issue of the day? Why do you even care?

    Yes, this is obviously a criticism of someone’s decision to wed. Nothing at all about how spectacularly asinine and vapid the Vows column is.

  18. Rodeo
    Rodeo October 6, 2011 at 2:24 am |

    And I care because I’m making a concerted effort to get the sanctimonious, humorless nitpickers off of this blog.

    I’ve been wondering why Feministe has been so damned awesome lately.

  19. Medea
    Medea October 6, 2011 at 3:19 am |

    tinfoil hattie:
    Really?Being nasty about someone’s wedding is the feminist issue of the day? Why do you even care?

    It’s useful to keep track of how wealthy Americans think if you care about social justice.

  20. numb
    numb October 6, 2011 at 4:06 am |

    evil fizz:
    Really? Being nasty about someone’s wedding is the feminist issue of the day? Why do you even care?

    Yes, this is obviously a criticism of someone’s decision to wed.Nothing at all about how spectacularly asinine and vapid the Vows column is.

    … so don’t read it?

  21. DouglasG
    DouglasG October 6, 2011 at 9:52 am |

    I’m torn between thinking that maybe this pair is just spectacularly ghastly and wondering whether, faced with such an imperturbable columnist, even the Kristens could come through such an exercise unscathed and without looking thoroughly cringeworthy.

    But there is absolutely no hope for the friend who thought that having to keep a schedule of who got to sit next to her at lunch was such a glowing recommendation. In a compassionate society, anyone like that friend, male or female, would be put down as humanely as possible.

    Thank you for providing the most amusement I’m likely to have all day.

  22. EG
    EG October 6, 2011 at 10:00 am |

    … so don’t read it?

    What is so wrong with making fun of the ruling class? You’re offended on behalf of Allison Pataki or something? Making fun of the Vows column is fun. That’s why I read it every week. I actually cannot imagine any other reason for reading it.

  23. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie October 6, 2011 at 11:03 am |

    And I care because I’m making a concerted effort to get the sanctimonious, humorless nitpickers off of this blog.

    Here’s an adult idea: Ask me to leave if you’d like me to leave.

    I have an awesome sense of humor, thanks. I just don’t think ridiculing other women on a *feminist* blog is very funny.

  24. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie October 6, 2011 at 11:06 am |

    What is so wrong with making fun of the ruling class? You’re offended on behalf of Allison Pataki or something?

    I didn’t know that making fun of wealthy brides would further the causes of social justice. But I guess you’re right: All those nasty brides, with their vapid comments in stupid bridal columns – they’re the problem! Call off the Wall Street protestors!

    Ridiculing other women because of their patriarchy-approved behavior is not feminist.

  25. EG
    EG October 6, 2011 at 11:17 am |

    I didn’t know that making fun of wealthy brides would further the causes of social justice.

    I didn’t say it would. I said it was fun. You do know what “fun” means, right?

    That said, I do think that ridiculing the manners and mores of the ruling class is a good thing, as it reinforces the important fact that they suck and have no god-given right to be in charge of the rest of us, and we don’t have to respect them.

    Ridiculing other women because of their patriarchy-approved behavior is not feminist.

    I didn’t realize that women got a get-out-of-being-mocked-for-being-a-superficial-wealthy-jerk-free card because of Patriarchy. Here I was, under the impression that women representatives of the ruling class were just as creepy and oppressive as the men with whom they hang out. Somebody better tell black feminists to not to mock white women for taking advantage of their place in the power hierarchy.

  26. scrumby
    scrumby October 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm |

    Ridiculing other women because of their patriarchy-approved behavior is not feminist.

    Because there is no such thing a portrayal of a wealthy, privileged woman that is sympathetic to the restriction and expectations her status forces upon her. Oh wait, I saw Titanic, or was it Pride and Prejudice? Wait, they were playing Lady Chatterley’s Lover on HBO… Princess Diaries 2?

  27. Cimmer
    Cimmer October 6, 2011 at 4:37 pm |

    So nice to read something like this and think – *phew* I’m NOT crazy…other people find it wholly ridiculous. TOO! – The laughter and a little bit of snark is such a great release :)

  28. tinfoil hattie
    tinfoil hattie October 6, 2011 at 10:40 pm |

    “And I’m annoyed by the fact that any time I put up a post that’s not about a 100% Feminist Issue (TM), someone is inevitably like, ‘WHAT IS THIS DOING ON A FEMINIST BLOG?!?!?!’”

    I’m glad that isn’t at all the point I made, then.

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