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  1. Lemondemon
    Lemondemon August 9, 2012 at 4:18 pm |

    I’m unsure what to say, except that some people use drugs to help cope with their disabilities, mental and otherwise. There’s also something to be said for the ‘wasting of talent that you wish you had at least half of.” But I can’t articulate it at he moment.

  2. SaraC
    SaraC August 9, 2012 at 4:33 pm |

    This left me feeling a little queasy. Marnell vividly reminds me of a childhood best friend who followed a similar trajectory and has come to a really bad place. At the same time, I have totally been guilty of writing while pretty tipsy and finding that alcohol can energize the creative process. However, there’s a long way been tipsy and addiction.

  3. olympia
    olympia August 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm |

    This was a powerful read. I have been living in the bottle for many, many years, and one of the reasons I fear giving it up is that I do feel it’s stoked the creative fires. It’s also given me confidence, and wit, and the ability to be wild and mouth off to whomever I please. I tell myself alcohol is the only thing that makes me interesting, and that I owe it to people to be interesting. And yet, I also know that I am destroying myself. My stomach is riddled with holes, I am unemployable, and I have caused more pain to others than I care to contemplate. I need people to tell me that life can be amazing without alcohol, that I can be interesting without drinking myself to death. How do you do that? How do you convince yourself?

  4. am
    am August 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm |

    olympia-

    One of my greatest fears when I contemplated getting sober was being social sans alcohol. I thought I couldn’t be myself and get past my fears and anxieties without at least a few drinks (which quickly became many drinks). It’s been 120 days and I won’t lie and say it’s been easy or I never miss it or I’m never tempted but things do feel real and I figured out that a lot of my fears and anxieties were the result of my regrets over choices I made while drunk. Anxious me drank to loosen up so drunk me could be confident and interesting -but also embarrassing and humiliating and emotionally tumultuous, which led to hungover and shameful me needing alcohol for courage to face the people around me. I don’t know if my rambling will apply to your situation but here I am, crazy and sober, wishing you the best in whatever you decide.

    <3<3<3 am

    P.S. Naltrexone can work wonders.

  5. am
    am August 9, 2012 at 8:12 pm |

    P.P.S. Life is better than before – and I can remember it all. (:

  6. Katherine
    Katherine August 9, 2012 at 10:06 pm |

    I expected at first that this was going to end with the announcement that Marnell has died. I’m glad she she hasn’t.

  7. olympia
    olympia August 9, 2012 at 10:09 pm |

    am and zuzu- Thank you. This really is an excruciatingly hard battle, as you two clearly know. I also know that the way I’ve been doing things, waiting for some grand epiphany that erases my need to drink, is not working- and yet I’ve kept waiting.

    am- Congratulations on the 120 days! Good for you. Do you mind if I ask what’s kept you going on your path? I did achieve 60 days sober earlier this year, my longest streak in nine years, but I just felt like I was acting much of the time, feeling empty, infusing myself with caffeine and ritualistic cigarettes, so I could at least feel like I was getting some chemical enhancements. I couldn’t keep it up. Have you made other attempts at getting sober? I’ve looked into Naltrexone, and also anti-depressants, as I feel like depression definitely affects my drinking, and vice versa, of course.

    zuzu- I read part of Knapp’s book, years ago, when my drinking career was still fairly young. At the time it didn’t resonate with me fully, but I think it would now. You’re point about others not making it easy- so true. I often feel like the only way I’m going to stay sober is to break away from my family and SO, as we’ve all been enabling each other. But that’s difficult, for so many reasons.

  8. Jadey
    Jadey August 9, 2012 at 10:57 pm |

    olympia

    I’ve never had an addiction, so I was hesitant about commenting on this at all and please tell me to eff off if I’m sticking my foot in it, but addictions research has come up on some of my classes, and one finding that really stuck out to me was that a one predictor of success in kicking an addiction is number of previous ‘failed’ attempts (I wish I could find an exact cite, I’m sorry) – so trying and struggling and trying again is not a futile effort – each try brings you closer.

  9. Partial Human
    Partial Human August 10, 2012 at 1:20 am |

    Olympia – as well as the other great advice, go in forewarned that anything you may be using your addiction to suppress (past trauma, unresolved issues. buried feelings) will probably bubble up.

    I think realising that in advance, and deciding on some sort of appropriate outlet to express or work through that, can help steady you on your feet. If you’re warned of rain, then you carry an umbrella to protect you, just in case.

    I wish you strength, courage, and the fervent hope that you get the results you want.

    am – congratulations, a third of the year! That’s brilliant. As above, may your journey be even, and lead to where you want to be.

    That sense of finding Eden in your everyday home, doing everyday things, is a hard-earned thing, like being paid triple time for a 16 hour Saturday shift. You may feel like you’re dying when you’re doing it, but it’s ultimately worth it.

  10. Angie unduplicated
    Angie unduplicated August 10, 2012 at 7:08 am |

    Accept that in your first year or two of sobriety, it will frequently appear that the entire universe is conspiring to irritate you. My mantra is a variant of an Eleanor Roosevelt quote, to wit: Nothing can irritate or aggravate me without my consent, and I Do Not Consent. I walked out on a husband, numerous junk jobs and false friends, and eventually an entire family to keep sobriety. It was, and is, worth it.
    Look upon every day as the ultimate mystery story. It’s up to you to dig out the facts, to see beneath the shiny well-kept human surfaces, to pull together the pieces of your narrative. This might get you through the tough job of socializing sober.
    I suspect that you are here because you want to make the world a better place for women. You can start by making your body a better place for you to live, and take up sobriety as a Challenge.
    Sorry to be so verbose. Thank you, Zuzu, and all of you, for being here and now.

  11. olympia
    olympia August 10, 2012 at 9:15 am |

    Thank you so much everyone. You all give such good and kind and wise advice. And I know all your advice is right- it’s just so hard to get past the addictive voice roaring in my ears. And it’s hard to even think about doing the transforming of my life that I know sobriety requires. I believe that alcoholism (along with any other addiction) is 100% biological in that it is a brain disease, but the brain is made up of not only whatever genetics dictate, or the substances that are thrown at it, but the experiences it processes. Dealing with my experiences, both past and present, is my primary sticking point, even when I know that’s what I need to do to reorganize my neurons.

    And I apologize for making this so much about me! This article just really got me thinking. Katherine, I too started this article thinking that Marnell had died- which, you know, would not be a surprise, sad as it would be. But I also know there are people out there who’ve come out of absolutely monstrous addictions. I think there’s hope for all of us.

  12. Geoarch
    Geoarch August 10, 2012 at 9:20 am |

    Olympia, my partner is in recovery (3 years last week!) and it’s been a journey. He got sober after we got hitched, too, so I’ve known him as an active drinker and then once he wasn’t anymore.

    There are all sorts of things that come up that we haven’t expected. Sex has been a journey to say the least. He’s found that he was drinking to self-medicate, to hide from trauma, to try to be someone he’s not for all sorts of reasons. It’s not like getting sober magically made all that go away or anything.

    But we talk about it a lot, and one thing we realized the other day after yet another issue bubbled up from the depths to rock his stability, was that THIS DAY IS THE WORST IT’S EVER GOING TO BE. Every day is slightly, microscopically, incrementally better. Because he’s sober and he’s working on his issues instead of hiding in a bottle from them.

    So, take from that what you will. I wish you lots of luck and healing in your journey.

  13. Lauren
    Lauren August 10, 2012 at 9:54 am |

    Olympia – as well as the other great advice, go in forewarned that anything you may be using your addiction to suppress (past trauma, unresolved issues. buried feelings) will probably bubble up.

    But this, too, is worthwhile. Consider it a clearing of the debris. Sometimes your back and thighs ache from the heavy-lifting, but look at the light and space in here! :)

  14. Datdamwuf
    Datdamwuf August 10, 2012 at 10:18 am |

    Has anyone tried this book? The Easy Way to Stop Drinking by Allen Carr. The reviews on Amazon are very interesting.

  15. samanthab
    samanthab August 10, 2012 at 10:27 am |

    I don’t get the judgey tone of this piece. We really don’t know that her primary “privilege” isn’t to be in a state of mania. Sure, it’s seriously messed up and actually really grating that she’s glamorizing addiction. But I’m not really interested in trying to read her mind- does she think it’s hilarious? is she for real- as much as I am in saying wtf is up with the shit you’re printing, xoJane/Vice Magazine/Page Six?

    If you’ve decided her life is “flame(-ing) out,” then you’ve become part of the problem. She isn’t beyond redemption just because you don’t think she’s acting right, and she doesn’t deserve to be told so. Marnell’s a human being who needs help, and if the vehicular metaphors (flaming cars, trainwrecks) sound dehumanizing, it’s probably because they are.

  16. Thomas MacAulay Millar
    Thomas MacAulay Millar August 10, 2012 at 12:07 pm |

    I want to put this anecdata out there. One thing I’ve heard from folks with addiction issues is the fear that they’ve dug such a hole with the people who love them that they can’t face trying to reboot those relationships. My mom had a very serious alcohol problem, inpatient rehab failed and she had a full relapse; she was functionally absent as a parent for several years, existing mostly as a problem that the family had to deal with rather than a mom. But she got sober and it took a few years but we got back on track and by the time cancer took her, we were really in a good place.

  17. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 10, 2012 at 1:00 pm |

    This question of zuzu’s got overlooked so I think I’ll have a crack at answering it:

    But how brave is her writing, really? How honest?

    How brave is her writing? In my opinion, not at all. Her description of her drug use is extremely defensive. Being defensive is not the same as being brave. I suppose quitting her job is ‘brave’ if she does not, in fact, have a financial safety net. But, as was said above, we don’t know if she does, and it doesn’t seem like she’s facing financial ruin.

    How honest is her writing? Well, about as honest as a beautiful painting of a landscape. It shows you all the lovely things about it’s subject (let’s face it, taking drugs is fun, that’s why people do it,) but leaves out the negatives (which in a majority of cases outweigh the positives) or paints them as harmless.

  18. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 10, 2012 at 1:09 pm |

    I hope my comment above doesn’t imply that I don’t think she’s a talented writer. Having been in the same mindset as her during my younger days, I find her prose extremely evocative, though what it evokes is unfortunately what zuzu referred to in her comment @19; which is that addicts above all lie to themselves.

  19. Lindsay Beyerstein
    Lindsay Beyerstein August 11, 2012 at 1:49 am |

    Marnell isn’t particularly talented. She’s good at marketing her glib, glam addict persona, but that’s about it.

    Some creative people are afraid that if they get sober, they’ll lose whatever made them interesting. Usually, that’s just the addiction talking. But in Marnell’s case, it’s probably true.

    She’d have nothing to write about if she stopped using. The only subject she’s ever written compellingly about is her own addiction. She can’t even write engagingly about beauty products, her ostensible beat.

    When she writes about her lifestyle all she has to say is, “Look at me! I’m so fucked up. Give me credit for admitting it.” Her fans insist she’s honest, but she’s not. She can’t even keep her story straight about how she quit XoJane.

    Even if Cat keeps using, her shelf-life is limited. Nobody will care what she has to say about addiction when she stops being young, thin, pretty, and mysteriously financially comfortable. She’s a figure of fascination because of who she is, not what she produces.

  20. Lauren
    Lauren August 11, 2012 at 10:20 am |

    I suppose quitting her job is ‘brave’ if she does not, in fact, have a financial safety net.

    In the context of addiction, I think bravery is outside of this total equation. She has a safety net so she is free to quit her job without suffering too many consequences, one of them facing the depth of her addiction. She quit because she was being held accountable for her addiction and going through the motions of recovery was only going to buy her so much time — it’s common enough among addicts, either losing or quitting jobs where the addiction will no longer be accommodated — so really, and I say this without judgement, this was just another move down the spiral.

    Zuzu, thanks for touching on this.

  21. Jim McQuiggin
    Jim McQuiggin August 11, 2012 at 1:40 pm |

    I’m in agreement with those not really enamored with her writing or her integrity in that. Glib? Yes. Authentic? Only the pose.

    David Foster Wallace would be the obvious choice of gargantuan talent and tragic trainwreck. Depression at work but it wasn’t helped by substance abuse.

    Having said that, I reminded of Lou Reed’s “Oh Jim” (the entire “Berlin” album, really) and the lyrics, “All your two-bit friends/they’re shootin’ you up with pills/They said that it was good for you/that it would cure your ills,” and, “All your two-bit friends/they asked you for your autograph/They put you on the stage/they thought it’d be good for a laugh.”

    No trainwreck, Lou, but certainly authentic. And talented.

  22. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm |

    I’ve done a bit more reading of her writing (most of her Vice columns,) and I no longer am as impressed with her writing as I was after reading the stuff referenced in the OP. Those little paragraphs taken out of context showed a mature sophisticated prose which belied an immature unsophisticated life-view. However, a majority of the other stuff I read just shows the immaturity and unsophistication.

  23. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 13, 2012 at 9:50 am |

    Marnell isn’t particularly talented. She’s good at marketing her glib, glam addict persona, but that’s about it.

    Some creative people are afraid that if they get sober, they’ll lose whatever made them interesting. Usually, that’s just the addiction talking. But in Marnell’s case, it’s probably true.

    She’d have nothing to write about if she stopped using. The only subject she’s ever written compellingly about is her own addiction. She can’t even write engagingly about beauty products, her ostensible beat.

    When she writes about her lifestyle all she has to say is, “Look at me! I’m so fucked up. Give me credit for admitting it.” Her fans insist she’s honest, but she’s not. She can’t even keep her story straight about how she quit XoJane.

    Even if Cat keeps using, her shelf-life is limited. Nobody will care what she has to say about addiction when she stops being young, thin, pretty, and mysteriously financially comfortable. She’s a figure of fascination because of who she is, not what she produces.

    This response literally made me cry, it seems so venomous and full of hate. Has the trend towards treating addicts with ‘tough love’ led us to completely lose our sympathy?

  24. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 13, 2012 at 10:49 am |

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    zuzu 8.13.2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink *
    Maybe you could specify what you think is so hateful and venomous about this, Fat Steve. You know, before you start accusing people of being venomous, hateful, and lacking all sympathy.

    Because really, I’m not seeing it. And maybe you don’t know any addicts, or you haven’t been one, but those of us who do and have may see her writing differently than you do.

    Saying that she wouldn’t be a decent writer if she quit drugs isn’t hateful. As a writer and a former drug abuser, that comment would have not led me to get help but is exactly the kind of berating that used to make me consider suicide. Some of us who abuse do so because we’re very insecure. Maybe you don’t know what it’s like to be extremely insecure.

  25. Lauren
    Lauren August 13, 2012 at 11:00 am |

    Because really, I’m not seeing it. And maybe you don’t know any addicts, or you haven’t been one, but those of us who do and have may see her writing differently than you do.

    In my experience, people who have firsthand experience with addiction are pretty matter-of-fact about it. The thing about active addiction is that it will fill the space you give it, and empathy and sympathy are interpreted by the addict as an opportunity for exploitation to maintain the addiction unabated.

    As much time as we spend hand-wringing over addiction and abuse as a society, we absolutely do glamorize the wild, carefree abandon with which the young and beautiful self-destruct. Zuzu’s point is that very few people get romantic about the beautiful disaster of a 40 year old mother of two who lost her looks due to her meth addiction and life on the streets (there’s a race/class analysis here worth diving into further), and nobody much cares about the young, poor addict in flyover country smoking meth out of a roll of foil in a Kmart parking lot, but Cat Marnell’s life (as she portrays it) is sex, drugs, and rock n’ roll without boundaries or consequences. Except those of us who aren’t deluded by the lies and tall tales of addicts (anymore), and those of us who are jaded by addict drunkalogs, very clearly see where her employers have drawn discreet, but clear boundaries, and where the consequences of her lifestyle are leading. Addiction is progressive. Folks who are “functional” today won’t be forever.

    The thing about addiction — and here’s my compassion — is that we all deserve the dignity to live our lives as we see fit, no matter how destructive that is. Marnell has no kids, and she apparently has people who are willing to bankroll her deathwish, so more power to her and my compassion to them. I can only hope that when (if) she has decided to quit, she hasn’t burned her last bridge.

  26. Fat Steve
    Fat Steve August 13, 2012 at 11:45 am |

    In any event, do you think it’s inaccurate to say that, in this culture, once she loses her looks (or, if she hangs on to her looks, once she ages past the point where she can be consered rock-and-roll), writing about her drug use and her clubbing and her glamorous life is not going to sell nearly as well as it does now that she’s still young and cute and hip

    That definitely sounds reasonable and wasn’t the bit that affected me. It was the assertion that she wouldn’t be worth anything as a writer if she was off drugs. One of the things that seemed to help me stop taking many of the drugs Marnell does was my friends/peers telling me ‘you’re so much funnier when you’re sober, you’re much cooler to hang out with when you’re not high’, etc. And when it came from a person in my field I respected it was even more affecting. (Lindsay being someone I consider a well respected blogger.)

    But, you are right, she is not me, and perhaps she enjoys the criticism. I didn’t start appreciating criticism til i got sober and got over my insecurities, but I’ve never been as conentionally attractive as her and I do notice that does give many (though by no means all) people a sense over confidence.

  27. Lauren
    Lauren August 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm |

    Marnell *only* writes well about drugs or alcohol or her addiction. Take that away, and what’s left?

    Personally, I’d argue that she could channel that energy into other topics if she wanted to, but hey, we write what we love.

  28. am
    am August 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm |

    olympia:

    I don’t mind sharing at all but it’s a bit of a mess of different things so I’ll make a list of bullet points to try to be somewhat understandable.

    • Physically, naltrexone is fantastic for me. It reduces cravings immensely but doesn’t cause interactions with alcohol like Antabuse (disulfiram) does. However, it makes it so that narcotic painkillers don’t work so that can be an issue if other medical emergencies arise. I actually have come to appreciate this side effect/result because I tend to misuse narcotics after surgery (and I’ve had surgery eight times so far) and now I can’t get an effect from them.
    • I take medications for my mood disorder/personality disorder (up for debate) that stabilize my mood to keep me from the major ups and downs I was experiencing.
    • Psychologically, I see a therapist once a week and a psychiatrist once a month. I’m honest with them about everything that’s going on.
    • At the beginning, I tracked my mood using an app on my phone and I still track my days sober. Seeing my mood start to balance out to normal was really rewarding and reassuring.
    • I made a WRAP plan (this is the official site but there are plenty of unofficial ones with information) that helped me get my head around my problems as well as my attributes while planning for any potential crisis in the future.
    • A friend was worried enough about my drinking to message my boyfriend.
    • My boyfriend, friends and family have been very supportive. I made sure to tell them that I was quitting. They now know that I don’t want to drink so if I slip, it would be a major cry for help, and when I succeed, they’re proud of me and cheer me on, which makes me happy instead of ashamed of where I am.
    • I sleep better without alcohol so my mood is more even and makes things easier.
    • Alcohol makes a lot of medications for mood less effective or counteracts their effects so just by not drinking, I felt better.
    • The final things that actually pushed me to quit were these: a night of black-out drunk bingeing that could’ve ended much worse and, more importantly, a realization from my job at the hospital. Almost every patient who comes in for a suicide attempt is drunk, usually at the > .20 level (“stupor, loss of understanding, impaired sensations, possibility of falling unconscious, severe motor impairment, loss of consciousness, memory blackout”). Every time I’ve attempted suicide, attempted to overdose or vaguely even self-harmed recently, I’ve been drunk. This started to bother me on its own but wasn’t enough to get me to quit drinking. Then, I saw a case where a patient was depressed and drinking and overdosed on some other medication (that may not have interacted well with alcohol? I don’t know). The patient was found and brought to the hospital and worked on and while they were able to keep the patient from dying, the patient had major brain damage and will likely never be independent again. I’d always thought that if I attempted suicide, I’d succeed or I’d be saved, and I’d forgotten the middle ground where you could wind up permanently disabled by it. I know it’s incredibly stupid of me to have not thought of that before but I wasn’t thinking rationally. Something in that patient’s story snapped me back into thinking and made me realize how important my health – mental and physical – are to me and how I don’t want to risk it for a drink, especially when I’ve found that my friends are just as friendly, nice and fun when I’m sober.

    Overall, it’s a vicious cycle, and a lot of the things that keep you drinking can keep you not drinking if you can manage to break out.

    <3 <3 <3 am

  29. olympia
    olympia August 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm |

    am- Thanks. The more I go through this, the more I want to hear other people’s stories of how they got and remain sober. I think it’s interesting to realize that -as your story seems to bear out- addiction is a physical problem, a disorder of the brain, and some of the things that make it easier not to use are basic, physical, even mundane things. I know I’ve been waiting for some grand epiphany to magically cure me of my cravings! Which for addicts, I think is pretty common- maybe even universal.

    Naltrexone- I didn’t know about it interfering with narcotics. Do you know how long it takes to leave your body, should you need narcotics in a hurry? Narcotic abuse isn’t an issue for me, thankfully (it was illuminating for me to find that out, as it reinforced my belief that a lot of this is physical- the brain likes what it likes).

    It doesn’t surprise me a bit that most suicide attempts are done under the influence of heavy intoxication, and your point about suicide attempts leading to permanent disability is spot on. I have a cousin who, after a failed overdose, wound up with an instant case of what looks like late stage Parkinson’s. Addiction can lead people to a place far uglier than they can imagine, and while it usually takes a while, sometimes it can happen in an instant.

    You sound like you’re doing wonderfully, and that’s great to hear. Thanks again.

  30. am
    am August 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm |

    It’s definitely physical, at least much of it. I have a great uncle who died of DTs, which I didn’t know until I was older, and my sister had genetic testing done that showed a predisposition to addiction to/excessive enjoyment from drugs. I’m the only immediate family member with a real substance abuse issue but the mood issues are four generations deep. /:

    I’m not exactly sure but I’m pretty sure it only lasts as long as it’s in your system and since it’s a daily medication with a 4 hour half-life, it shouldn’t be long-term, irreversible effect. I know when I had a kidney stone, I didn’t take naltrexone that morning and by late that night or the next day the narcotics were working again.

    Oh, also: America Anonymous (http://www.americaanonymous.com/) is a great book on addiction. Some of the quotes have stuck with me throughout all the ups and downs. I’ve saved so many of them.

    Thank you and you’re welcome.

    Best of luck and feel free to ask me any questions you have,
    <3am

  31. Angie unduplicated
    Angie unduplicated August 14, 2012 at 9:33 am |

    Olympia, the library is a great resiurce on sobriety. The book which helped me through the immediate problems of detox, and no, I can’t remember the name, took a physiological approach. The authors advised a low-sugar diet, vitamin B supplementation, and hard workouts. The Y membership worked off my nerves and assured that I couldn’t drink up the payments. New research indicates that wheat compounds activate and bind to opiate receptors, so eschewing starches may be advisable. Constant drinking causes constant insulin secretion so doing a modified diabetic diet should quell some of the cravings. Sauna, sweatlodge, or sunbathing will sweat out toxins. Get a doctor’s permission for this. Give sobriety a try-remember, total idiots have done it for entire lifetimes, so it’s not as difficult as it looks through the bottom of a bottle.

    1. am
      am August 14, 2012 at 10:00 am |

      There is no reason to tan or sweat for sobriety. “Toxins” are removed from the body by its normal functions. That’s what the liver does. Tanning has no medicinal benefit. There is no reason to do any “detox” diet in order to quit drinking.

  32. am
    am August 14, 2012 at 10:04 am |

    And according to a study on alcoholics I found, “Most abnormal results reverted to normal on an adequate diet with 112g protein daily or without ethanol, and ethanol had no detrimental effect on normal pancreatic function when given with a normal diet.”

  33. olympia
    olympia August 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm |

    Angie unduplicated- Thanks! I am keenly interested in the physiological side of things- looking to rearrange my brain molecules by any positive means possible. I have been looking into how my diet might be affecting me- I am a rather huge carb junkie, as are many drunks. :), and the idea of eating lower carb is pretty unfathomable to me, but I’m definitely interested in the connections between diet/addiction/everything else!

  34. Angie unduplicated
    Angie unduplicated August 15, 2012 at 11:19 am |

    I utilized this sobriety program over 20 years ago, and medical knowledge has improved since that time. I will vouch for its results, though, when combined with low-stress employment. I did mention saunas but not tanning beds, which are known carcinogens, as is ethanol.

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