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  1. Wendy
    Wendy August 12, 2012 at 2:43 am |

    Something possibly worth pointing out though: a lot of people in Ireland think it’s taken the Olympics to get our media pay as much attention to Katie Taylor as a man with her track record would have received. And it’s not just feminists who think so. As recently as a month ago, a male cab driver (finger on the pulse, you know!) commented to me that if Taylor was a man she would be far more appreciated for her achievements. Article and discussion about it (from last year) here.

  2. Gerry Dorrian
    Gerry Dorrian August 12, 2012 at 5:01 am |

    Things are even worse in Somalia than in Saudi. Zamzam Mohamed Farah has been threatened with death by her fellow Somalis should she return home so, not unreasonably, she’s claimed asylum in Great Britain. But given the size and orthodoxy of the Somali populations here, where will she be safe?

  3. Dave
    Dave August 12, 2012 at 6:58 am |

    The Olympics has been fantastic for women’s sports across the board. I’ve cheered the rowers, cyclists, runners, throwers, swimmers, fighters and even bloody horse riders, and had tears in my eyes when Jessica Ennis brought it home. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to know this was true for just about everyone watching.

  4. matlun
    matlun August 12, 2012 at 11:00 am |

    @Gerry: There was a rumor that she was seeking asylum but it has been denied.

    You are certainly correct that the situation is bad, however.

  5. Bloix
    Bloix August 12, 2012 at 11:44 am |

    “There are still sports, like ski jump, where women are kept out of competition at the Olympic level because of fears for their girly bits.”

    Women ski jumpers will be competing in the 2014 Winter Olympics.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/sports/07iht-SKI07.html

    The most likely reason that women weren’t permitted to ski jump in the Olympics up until now is that the sport’s organizers feared that they might do as well as the men.

    For example, going into the last Winter Olympics, the record distance for the hill at Whistler was held by a woman, Lindsey Van.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Van

    That record was broken at the Olympics, in which Van was not permitted to compete.

    Women can compete with men in ski jumping because there’s nothing about it that gives men an advantage. It requires coordination, balance, stamina, and courage, not unusual strength or height.

    And being light is a big advantage. Weight matters a lot in ski jumping. Ski jumpers tend to be naturally skinny people who starve themselves during the season. (Like gymnastics and horse racing, it’s a sport that encourages eating disorders.)

    For discrimination against women in ski jumping, see
    http://www.motherjones.com/media/2010/02/did-olympic-committee-discriminate-against-female-ski-jumpers

    For ski jumping and eating disorders, see
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/sports/olympics/12skijump.html?pagewanted=all

  6. ~s~
    ~s~ August 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm |

    My aunt and I were talking about this the other day, more specifically about how the Olympics is the only time anyone ever watches women’s hockey (while NHL stars are practically gods among men – this is Canada). THen my uncle said, “Well, the women just aren’t as good.” To which my aunt replied, “EXCUSE me? You want to repeat that to your DAUGHTERS?” He was suitably chastened.

  7. LC
    LC August 12, 2012 at 3:13 pm |

    I was going to chime in on the real reason women ski jumping wasn’t allowed, but Bloix beat me to it.

  8. valentifan69
    valentifan69 August 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm |

    “There are still sports, like ski jump, where women are kept out of competition at the Olympic level because of fears for their girly bits.”

    They’re totally open on their admission criteria – which is whether sports are widely practiced both in many countries and by many people. That’s why there are women only disciplines (rhythmic gymnastics / synchronized swimming), not because the IOC are worried about mangled testicles.

    If anything, standards on widespread practice for admitting women’s sports are lower than those for men’s sports. You can’t really make the claim womens ski jumping is really a mass participation sport, even by the standards of winter events. I don’t think that’s wrong – I just think if anything the IOC are pushing women’s sport by being more accommodating about standards, rather than trying to cut women out, and they deserve credit for it.

  9. Bacopa
    Bacopa August 12, 2012 at 7:02 pm |

    So odd they added a women’s marathon only in 1984. The marathon is the event with the smallest performance gap between the top women and men. That by itself should suggest that women can “handle” the marathon.

    Ski jumping is just inexcusable. There’s just no reason to exclude women. Women do Tae Kwon Do. How could ski jumping be a problem?

    As for Saudi Arabia, is anyone else interested in the movement to get the IOC to ban Saudi teams because of the mistreatment of women in that country? The IOC banned South Africa for many years. I think it’s unfair to have punished (deservedly) South Africa for so many years and still allow Saudi athletes to participate.

  10. Ledasmom
    Ledasmom August 12, 2012 at 7:56 pm |

    Regarding that first Olympic women’s marathon – I remember watching that, and the commentators tut-tutting about how Joan Benoit wasn’t stopping for water, which surely was gonna affect her later, you know – and then they just sort of dried up, as she got closer to the stadium and eventually won the race, better than a minute ahead of Grete Waitz. It was amazing. And then Gabriela Andersen-Schiess coming in later and taking over 5 minutes to do her lap around the stadium.
    There was an ad – I forget for what – that ran during this year’s Olympics that had Joan Benoit in it, and I just pointed at the tv and went “Isn’t that Joan Benoit? That’s Joan Benoit! That’s Joan Benoit!” Still amazing.
    I absolutely teared up watching the medal ceremonies for the boxers. Here are these women, who only a short time ago had been whaling on each other in the ring, with the medals around their necks and their arms over each others’ shoulders, bruises and all, grinning. That and watching Claressa Shields walk into the ring, that got to me too. When I was watching the Olympics as a girl, and I was obsessed with the Olympics as a girl (the coverage was even worse back then: no cable, and practically nothing of the non-marquee sports. Biathlon? Forget it.), it seemed so wrong that there were sports women didn’t compete in. Most of what you saw on your screen was men, except when gymnastics or figure skating was on. In 1984, in the Olympics, women did not contest hammer throw, pole vault, boxing, fencing except foil, soccer, judo, modern pentathlon, water polo, weightlifting, or wrestling. I believe the only one they do not now contest is greco-roman wrestling.

  11. karak
    karak August 12, 2012 at 9:16 pm |

    For some reason, the fact that Shaherkani’s father is appealing to Saudi-Islamic law for the insults to his daughter pleases me. Not because people might be whipped, but because it shows a sort of good-for-the-gander-good-for-the-goose mentality that I like. I kind of feel that it’s also embracing the idea his daughter can be a good Saudi woman and an Olympic athlete, it’s not an either/or proposition.

  12. Sid
    Sid August 13, 2012 at 1:29 am |

    I don’t really know how you can twist the IOC’s hand on Saudi Arabia. All countries to at least some degree have a higher bar for sports participation for women than men, where do you draw the line? Do women need to have as many sports clubs in Saudi Arabia as men do for them to participate? Does their need to be mandatory physical education for women in order for them to be admitted? And there are still many countries which treat significant ethnic minorities quite badly and are still allowed to participate.

  13. rain
    rain August 13, 2012 at 7:52 am |

    @ 8
    Bullshit. The IOC may be “totally open on their admission criteria” but they are also totally haphazard in requiring sports to meet that criteria. For every reason the IOC had given to exclude female ski jumpers – participation levels, world championships – there were examples of sports that were included despite not meeting the same criteria. If the IOC wants you in, you’re in; if they don’t, then you don’t meet the criteria. This had been covered quite extensively when female ski jumpers were denied participation at the Vancouver Olympics. I’m surprised you missed it.

  14. Bloix
    Bloix August 13, 2012 at 9:06 am |

    @8 – the thing is, there are a number of smaller sports where the Olympics is far and away the most important event. If the sport isn’t in the Olympics, then serious athletes won’t compete in it. So there’s a chicken and egg problem – women’s ski jumping hasn’t been Olympics-worthy because there are no world-class women ski jumpers; but without the goal of qualifying for the Olympics, the best young women won’t train as ski jumpers because there’s no point in doing so.

    We saw this in fencing: women historically did not compete in saber, and there was no saber event at the Olympics. When it was proposed to add women’s saber, the dominant fencing countries didn’t want to, because there were no women’s sabrists. Duh.

    In 2004, women’s saber was added, and the US (not a fencing power, needless to say) cleaned up because of a couple of coaches here who took women’s saber seriously.

    Other countries have now had eight years to train women sabrists and this year the US was shut out of the medals.

  15. Chiara
    Chiara August 13, 2012 at 9:16 am |

    i dont get it? what girly bits are they talking about being harmed by ski jumping?

  16. DonnaL
    DonnaL August 13, 2012 at 10:34 am |

    Your delicate pink uterus might be jarred loose? I really have no idea.

  17. Jadey
    Jadey August 13, 2012 at 10:40 am |

    Your delicate pink uterus might be jarred loose? I really have no idea.

    There’s nothing that makes men more hysterical than the idea of uteri on the loose, rampaging through towns, smashing up storefronts, etc. N’fact, I’m pretty sure we invented the word “hysteria” specifically to describe many men’s irrational panic at the thought of unrestrained uteri, the poor dears.

    I could be wrong.

  18. Ledasmom
    Ledasmom August 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm |

    RARH! Killer uterus!

  19. Sarah Dalton
    Sarah Dalton August 13, 2012 at 1:34 pm |

    Umm.
    I’m all for standing up for one’s daughter/standing up to sexism in general, but I don’t think that we should be celebrating the 100 lashes people might receive for making dumbass, mysoginistic remarks.

  20. Bloix
    Bloix August 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm |

    Oh dear, looking back I see I’ve derailed this thread. Just in case anyone is still here, it might be worth saying that only a generation ago Ireland was a priest-ridden, misogynistic horror of a place and look how far it’s come. It’s hard to believe that Saudi Arabia can ever change, but Ireland is not a bad example of how change is possible.

  21. Donna L
    Donna L August 14, 2012 at 10:45 am |

    On a slightly different but still-relevant topic, this is a link to a Sports Illustrated article about Caster Semenya, and the silver medal she won in the women’s 800-meter race:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/olympics/2012/writers/david_epstein/08/11/caster-semenya-800-meters/index.html

    I found it interesting that there was very little controversy about her medal-winning performance, at least that I saw. I suspect that it would have been a different story had she won the gold medal.

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