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  1. Gerry Dorrian
    Gerry Dorrian August 24, 2012 at 11:07 am |

    I disagree that misogyny was ever anything but open from the very dawn of the West. When Plato built on Plutarch’s romantic lies about Sparta in the Republic, he decided that women would be part of the property held in common. The genteel patrician fascists of the Enlightenment built on this – see, for example, Diderot’s Supplemente au voyage de Bougainville. I would suggest that

  2. Gerry Dorrian
    Gerry Dorrian August 24, 2012 at 11:12 am |

    Sorry, pressed the send button by accident!

    I disagree that misogyny was ever anything but open from the very dawn of the West. When Plato built on Plutarch’s romantic lies about Sparta in the Republic, he decided that women would be part of the property held in common. The genteel patrician fascists of the Enlightenment built on this – see, for example, Diderot’s Supplemente au voyage de Bougainville. Some of Marx’s contemporaries took the same view.

    I would suggest that “slut” and related terms like “that sort of girl” refer in this context to women who refuse to self-categorise as property, the term stretching from eye-candy at one end of the scale to slave at the other.

  3. Alexandra
    Alexandra August 24, 2012 at 12:21 pm |

    I didn’t think that Echo Zen was arguing that misogyny has never been blatant before, but rather that after a decade and a half of the right wing pretending to respect women’s rights, we’re in a new stage of virulent misogyny. I don’t know whether I necessarily agree with that assessment, but it seems odd to go back to Plato (and even odder to choose Plato as your representative greek misogynist rather than Aristotle, but…)

    It does feel like 2012 has been a particularly bad year, though.

  4. ch
    ch August 24, 2012 at 1:25 pm |

    Not to be all “gotcha” to Gerry and miss the actual point, but… Plato lived like 500 years before Plutarch.

    EchoZen, this is a great post and I very much agree with it.

  5. Alexandra
    Alexandra August 24, 2012 at 2:27 pm |

    I just finished reading Ta-Nehisi Coates’s recent Atlantic article about racism and Barack Obama’s presidency, in which he talks at some length about how racism has been an integral part of America’s national identity for much of its long history.

    I feel like, right now, we’re getting a sharp reminder of just how integral sexism and institutionalized woman-hating is integral to the conservative movement in the U.S., if not the U.S. as a whole. It all hangs together – the preservation of a kind of ideal “Judeo-Christian” republic through the control of women, and through women of families and the ways in which young Americans are brought up.

  6. Mike
    Mike August 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm |

    Ironically the advances women had threw them back as well. Apparently when it was only hard working exhausted men who couldnt be assed to vote, now its hard working exhausted women too.

  7. zuzu
    zuzu August 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm | *

    Because women were never hard working or exhausted in all of history until just a few years ago.

  8. Skye
    Skye August 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm |

    Frankly, I’m glad they’re out in the open. They’ve been hiding behind cuddly words like “women’s best interests” for too long, and in many ways, that makes them more dangerous (“how can you call him a misogynist when he said he’s looking out for your interests, you bitter, ugly feminazi?”). Now that the Right’s war on women has risen to comic-book villian proportions, it’s at least a lot easier to win the support of moderates.

  9. Dane
    Dane August 24, 2012 at 11:43 pm |

    I agree with what you’re saying in this article.
    I wonder if the concern-trolling “cuddly” misogyny of the 90′s has anything to do with the lack of young women claiming the feminist label. It seems like it’s easier to take a strong stance in the face of blatant opposition rather than sneaky “but we’re only looking out for your interests!” arguments. Certainly most women my age (20) feel that “feminist” has a strange ring to it, suggesting that you’re easily offended and kind of a shrew; maybe it’s because we’ve grown up in a culture of patronizing rather than hateful rhetoric.

  10. Gerry Dorrian
    Gerry Dorrian August 25, 2012 at 1:59 pm |

    @ch – thank you, I wish somebody had gone “gotcha!” 20 years ago, as that’s how long I’ve been carrying that misperception around in my head!

  11. Mike
    Mike August 26, 2012 at 7:22 am |

    Imo it has to do with the demografics. The average age of the population is 35 years. So many of the voting men are going through a divorce or went through a divorce, the majority of which has been initiated by women.

    I am not saying that American men revenge vote at the ballot box, but at the very least they do not care about women issues if they think of their divorce and dissatisfactions and the like.

    While I am convinced that a younger voting public would be kinder and more idealistic, the fact that you can choose between just 2 parties basically does not help either. Many people simply disregarded womens issues and made other points their top priority. If, for whatever reason, you want to see the democrats replaced, then your only other option are the republicans. So the republicans can still get elected even if people are not okay with their attitude towards women, simply because people are not okay with republicans and want something else.

  12. Mike
    Mike August 26, 2012 at 7:23 am |

    not okay with democrats and want something else I meant to say.

  13. Echo Zen
    Echo Zen August 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm |

    Yeah, by far the biggest challenge in writing retrospectives like this is the difficulty in finding sources you can link to, for folks who didn’t come of age back when anti-women extremists did their public re-branding. It might be common knowledge to Jill and me, for instance, that the 1980s GOP attacked domestic violence laws as being part of a “war on the traditional family or on local values.” But very few sources from the 1980s are online for younger generations (like mine) to see for themselves. Heck, that “war on the traditional family” quote I just mentioned? It’s not on any of the world’s 650 million websites — in fact I was only able to find it through an archived report on Google Books, and even then that was the only report on the entire web that mentioned it.

    Ironically, the fact that newly mainstreamed extremists are re-fighting so many battles over long- settled issues like rape and domestic violence has actually made retrospective research harder. Before the Tea Party decided VAWA wasn’t a bipartisan issue anymore, it was comparatively easy to find articles from the 1990s about far-right opposition to VAWA. Now that coverage of today’s VAWA fight has pretty much swamped the web, it’s extremely difficult to find such references anymore. I’m still glad today’s extremists are making so publicly clear their hatred of women who aren’t Christian baby-making factories — but it also makes retrospectives much harder to research.

    I think the key to educating voters about GOP extremism is to be able to put today’s attacks in proper historical perspective. That’s why Akin’s revelation about the GOP’s pro-rape stance has been such a blessing. For the first time ever, not only are we seeing mainstream coverage of where their vile values originate (hint: feudal times), I’m also seeing public coverage of the fact most states still allow rapists to sue victims for parental rights if victims bear children. That’s something I’ve never been able to discuss with others without facing skepticism or dismissal as some brainwashed feminist. Thank you, Akin!

  14. Link Love (08/09/2012) « Becky's Kaleidoscope

    [...] “Ten years ago the opposition used to speak in coded language about how their attacks on women’s sexual equality were about “protecting women” from themselves, promoting “a culture of life” – because everyone knows that without guidance from wise, misogynist politicians, women just aren’t smart enough to make personal decisions about their own sexuality. Today the opposition has dispensed with its dog whistles entirely, and taken to openly smearing women who dare to exercise control over their health and reproductive rights as sluts and threats to the moral foundation of America. “ Finally, open misogyny is cool (again) - Feministe [...]

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