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  1. Adaquinn
    Adaquinn September 25, 2012 at 1:47 pm |

    Wow.

    This is a fantastic article. I hope it is shared everywhere.

  2. bleh
    bleh September 25, 2012 at 2:01 pm |

    This. best connecting of dots I’ve seen in a while.

  3. macavitykitsune
    macavitykitsune September 25, 2012 at 3:47 pm |

    This is beautiful and beautifully written and heartbreaking and vivid. Thank you so much.

  4. Angie unduplicated
    Angie unduplicated September 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm |

    Yes, ma’am.
    The term “forcible insemination” has bite. We should use it more often. Nevin is my current case of shero worship, and should be a redneck icon here.

  5. volutes
    volutes September 26, 2012 at 9:32 am |

    A very good article indeed, but I’m disappointed and let down beyond the telling of it that you adamantly refuse to even mention the word pornography. It’s the thousand elephants in the small feminist bedroom and a far greater cultural influence than the top-down legislation that seems to be this article’s main foe.

    I’ll keep watching and hoping for the day you can integrate your keen grasp of legal theory with the ritual layman habit of using pornography.

  6. DannyJane
    DannyJane September 26, 2012 at 8:47 pm |

    Should be required reading for anyone entering politics. Should be required reading for anyone in middle school. Should be required of anyone entering the military, becoming a judge, joining a sports team, entering the field of teaching or qualifiying to serve on a jury.

  7. Fortuna Veritas
    Fortuna Veritas September 26, 2012 at 10:25 pm |

    Blue states? I thought it was Red states that were enacting all of the regressive legislation that managed to get the term “war on women” coined.

  8. Odin
    Odin September 27, 2012 at 8:01 am |

    This is a fantastic article. It’s a shame there isn’t a large comment response to it the way there is to other recent posts, but I think that’s because you’ve said it so well that most of us reading it can’t find anything to say that would contribute. I certainly can’t.

    1. konkonsn
      konkonsn September 27, 2012 at 10:58 pm |

      Yeah, that’s my reason for not replying.

      There’s also a psychological term for it…where it’s more likely when someone angry about something, they’ll make an effort to let you know they’re upset. If someone agrees with what they read, though, they don’t feel the need to say anything.

      It makes sense. I mean, it seems silly to just post, “Great article!” and not really contribute anything. Or maybe that’s just the fact that I’ve been trained by years of English classes that told me I couldn’t write anything less than two sentences as a critique, and it has to be specific.

      1. moviemaedchen
        moviemaedchen September 28, 2012 at 9:17 pm |

        Yeah, I think I got the same training you did, LOL. :)

        The article was great, and hit the nail on the head.

    2. Tamara
      Tamara September 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm |

      ditto.

  9. SubjectVerb
    SubjectVerb September 27, 2012 at 9:08 am |

    Hooray for women defending themselves! Obligatory plug for the NRA’s women’s network.

    Wait, did I just post a pro-gun link on a feminist website? The horror!

  10. Datdamwuf
    Datdamwuf September 27, 2012 at 9:09 am |

    Thank you for writing this article, it and the links are well thought out and illustrated. I can’t think of anything to add.

    I apologize if this is a derail, I think it’s related. Have you considered looking into the explosion of women arrested in domestic abuse cases since mandatory arrest legislation has been enacted in most states? This had personal ramifications for me so it’s a selfish question as well. I would be very interested in an article that explored this issue. When I began looking into it I found many sites where men were teaching men how to use these laws to ensure their wives were arrested if police were called and ranting that women were “setting” men up to be arrested or to get protective orders. These laws were well meaning but don’t take into account the fact that the police force is male dominated.

    1. Lamech
      Lamech September 27, 2012 at 10:04 am |

      Have you considered looking into the explosion of women arrested in domestic abuse cases since mandatory arrest legislation has been enacted in most states?

      Summary: A victory for feminism has lessened discrimination against men, in the form of police actually arresting people who abuse them. Regardless of is this intentional or not this is a win for men, and non-abusive women.

      When I began looking into it I found many sites where men were teaching men how to use these laws to ensure their wives were arrested if police were called

      A request: can you at least wait to change sentences before crushing me with irony?

      and ranting that women were “setting” men up to be arrested or to get protective orders.

      Apperently not.
      So let me get this straight? Your saying complaints are “men are setting women up” and b) people are complaining “women are setting men up”. …

      Mandatory arrest laws are wonderful things that get abusers arrrested. If the police have probable cause to arrest someone in a case of D.V. they should be required to do it. Just like a bar fight, people can both be at fault for D.V.

      1. Datdamwuf
        Datdamwuf September 27, 2012 at 8:27 pm |

        bad trolling is bad

      2. Odin
        Odin September 27, 2012 at 9:43 pm |

        Er, I think Datdamwuf is saying that MRA-types are trying to help abusers manipulate the system so that their victims are the ones who get arrested, instead of the abusers themselves, and wonders if they are successful on a wide enough scale that mandatory-arrest laws are just another tool abusers use to control their victims.

        1. Datdamwuf
          Datdamwuf September 28, 2012 at 8:20 am |

          Thank you Odin, that’s a large part of it, I know I wasn’t writing with great clarity, it’s a tough subject for me.

  11. Facesmash | Butterflies and Wheels
    Facesmash | Butterflies and Wheels September 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm |

    [...] on misogynist shit on Facebook is horrifying and scary. Earlier this week I wrote about how the use of photography (especially without the subject’s consent) intensifies harassment, abuse an….  Quicker than I could type “Feministe” this Change.org petition appeared in my [...]

  12. David
    David September 27, 2012 at 2:34 pm |

    Firstly I agree with the this article, and we should get angry about rape culture. Also my favourite thing about feministe is that it is anti patriarchy while being pro man. Feministe bloggers regularly make the distinction between the two.

    However, I disagree with “Men’s bodies are their own.” Male bodily autonomy is a complicated subject, and the case for ending rape culture can be made without denying the real violence, and lack of bodily autonomy that men face.

  13. Soraya Chemaly
    Soraya Chemaly September 28, 2012 at 2:43 pm |

    Wow, it’s so great to read these comments. Thank you for taking the time. Cannot address specific notes, but two issues in particular jumped out at me. One, Porn. Yes, very relevant. Just SO BIG to add to this post. Two, domestic abuse arrests – very interesting in terms of how it becomes a “syndrome” for women to defend themselves. Like defending themselves renders them either crazy or sick. Another issues is how, as in M. Alexander’s case, “stand your ground” doesn’t appear to apply to women.

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  16. Kayle
    Kayle October 10, 2012 at 10:25 am |

    Please don’t say it “has zero to do with economic status, education, race, nationality, ethnicity or social class.”
    Some of us KNOW better. Women in cars know very little about street harassment, and probably even less about “bad” neighborhoods where the experience is demonstrably worse.
    A better phrasing might be “is not limited by economic status, education, race, nationality, ethnicity or social class.”

  17. Kayle
    Kayle October 10, 2012 at 10:33 am |

    and to be really annoying:
    “Week before last 26-year old, mother of two, Nevin Yildirim decapitated a rapist who did just this ” should read:
    “Week before last, 26-year old mother of two Nevin Yildirim decapitated a rapist who did just this.”

    …carry on.

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