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  1. Lolagirl
    Lolagirl September 11, 2013 at 11:07 am |

    Great piece, Jill. The truth needs to be told about what anti-choice groups like Operation Rescue are really all about with these tactics. And it isn’t old school proseletyzing or grass roots activism they are on about, bottom line.

    1. Bagelsan
      Bagelsan September 11, 2013 at 2:10 pm |

      Which is why them calling it “using our First Amendment rights!!1″ is particularly noxious and dishonest; they’re trying to terrify and subdue an entire population with threats of violence. That’s not “speech” in my book, and I don’t think they’d be satisfied with just plain speech anyways. When they’re asked to back away from terrorist tactics they know that they’ll lose the debate, so they stick with violence (not reason or persuasion) to achieve their ends.

      1. matlun
        matlun September 11, 2013 at 3:11 pm |

        Well, it is clearly speech and it is a free speech issue. However…

        There are reasons that many countries have hate speech laws in one form or another. Even in the US for example speech that incites a crime and true threats are illegal (AFAIK – IANAL), and there are other exceptions such as .

        In other words: Saying it is a “free speech issue” does not end the discussion. Some limitations on free speech are justified.

        1. Lolagirl
          Lolagirl September 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm |

          Oh, goody, the terrorism thing! Again!

          Ambliwhateverhescallinghimself may have tried to paint me into a corner of supposed ignorance as to how the First Aendment and hate speech works, but that was all smoke and mirrors. Because the Courts have never, ever decreed that all speech is free speech, especially when it involves fighting words and words intended to foment violence. There are limits and conditions upon one’s freedom from the government regulating one’s speech. And once one use their words to plan stuff like violence, arson, or murder, the First Amendment stops providing one shelter to say whatever one wants.

          There is plenty of evidence that groups like Operation Rescue have engaged in activities like racketeering, conspiracies to commit arson and violence, cold blooded murder, and yes, even terrorism. We Americans need to stop making excuses for terrorism under the guise of expressing Christian outrage over abortion or anything else, because it’s flat out bullshit apologism.

        2. Bagelsan
          Bagelsan September 11, 2013 at 4:48 pm |

          If they were only “speaking” then I’d have no problem with it. But when they combine this speaking with murdering… it’s a whole ‘nother issue. The violence is the problem, not the peripheral bits of talking they do to justify and cover for said violence.

        3. Lolagirl
          Lolagirl September 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |

          And you know, Bagelsan, they try to parse their bullshit in such a way that they can then argue that it was all talk. But going down the road of, someone needs to take out these abortion doctors, and here are their names and addresses, and their daily movements, and by the way here is the make, model, and license plate number of their car, and if only someone could get them alone when they go to church next Sunday between the hours of 11am and 12pm? Yeah, that’s longer just talking, or trash talking, or whatever.

          It’s planning a fucking murder.

          And systematically going about terrorizing a group of people, targeted for their profession, or even because you disagree with them exercising their Constitutionional right to have an abortion, with threats to their physical safety on a daily basis? That might just qualify as terrorism.

  2. sb
    sb September 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |

    Stochastic terrorism at its worst. Ugh.

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